Ron Paul the flunkie

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It's important that us gunnies do what we can. Drop the good doctor's name in conversation some time at the range. Mention how McCarthy and the dems are foolinsh enough to keep poking us with their AWB proposals, and how Ron Paul, who OH BTW is looking into running for President, has introduced sweeping PRO-second amendment legislation. Mention how he takes a consistent Constitutional stand. THAT is the best way you get good name recognition.

Then, should Dr. Paul recieve enough money to radio ads or even TV ads in your area, your local friendly gunnies will REMEMBER him and think "Oh, that's that guy that John Q. Shootsalot down at the range was telling me about!" instead of the message going in one ear and out the other.
 
flunkie?

This thread reminds me of a Vin Suprynowicz quote (even though it does violate Godwin's law). Keep in mind I do not intend to refer to Hunter or any other pols (well, Hillary is pretty much a Commie, but I digress) as Nazis or Communists...

"Pretend with me that you’re an old German on your deathbed today. Would you rather tell your grandchildren, "I voted for the Nazis because they seemed better than the Communists and no other party could win"? Wouldn’t you rather be able to rise up and say, "I publicly denounced the Nazis and the Communists. We were a minority – 1 or 2 percent – but we stood up for the truth and we were right! We proved not all Germans were mindless torchbearers for tyranny! We were ridiculed, we were beaten and jailed, but we saved this nation’s soul. Now children, go and live your lives in a way to make me proud"?

Wouldn’t you?

Because I don’t get it: Let’s say you flip a coin and manage to vote for "the winner," on Nov. 2.

What do you win?"

If Paul doesn't win the R primary vote, I'll simply vote 3rd party yet again. Don't accuse me of throwing a vote away either, I live in IL, no way in hell of stopping the Dem vote storm from Chicago from getting all the electoral marbles.
 
This thread reminds me of a Vin Suprynowicz quote (even though it does violate Godwin's law). Keep in mind I do not intend to refer to Hunter or any other pols (well, Hillary is pretty much a Commie, but I digress) as Nazis or Communists...

"Pretend with me that you’re an old German on your deathbed today. Would you rather tell your grandchildren, "I voted for the Nazis because they seemed better than the Communists and no other party could win"? Wouldn’t you rather be able to rise up and say, "I publicly denounced the Nazis and the Communists. We were a minority – 1 or 2 percent – but we stood up for the truth and we were right! We proved not all Germans were mindless torchbearers for tyranny! We were ridiculed, we were beaten and jailed, but we saved this nation’s soul. Now children, go and live your lives in a way to make me proud"?

Wouldn’t you?

Because I don’t get it: Let’s say you flip a coin and manage to vote for "the winner," on Nov. 2.

What do you win?"

If Paul doesn't win the R primary vote, I'll simply vote 3rd party yet again. Don't accuse me of throwing a vote away either, I live in IL, no way in hell of stopping the Dem vote storm from Chicago from getting all the electoral marbles.
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I agree.
America is a nation of cowards..........dont worry McCain is here to help
 
I have decided to sell one of my many milsurps in order to contribute to the Ron Paul campaign. I would challange others to do similar. Instead of buying that box of ammo or that gun magazine at the magazine stand, donate to Ron Pauls' fight for restoring integrity and strength to America. You will then be pleased in knowing that you have done something that 99% of Americans only TALK about doing.....putting their money where they say their heart is. I refuse to go through another election thinking that I voted for the better of two evils. I wholeheartedly believe we have a true patriot in Ron Paul. He is a man who will stand for us if we will have the courage to stand behind him. Yes, freedom isn't free, but the benifits we will reap will far outweigh our small monetary contributions. Let us set aside whatever differences we have, and for once let us unite behind this golden opportunity to elect a honorable individual to the White House, Ron Paul. Men, this may be our last chance in a long, long time. I don't know about the rest of you, but for this next election, I am going to do more than just make my mark in the square box in the election booth. I am neither swayed or concerned with those who say that Ron Paul has no chance to win, and that I would be throwing away my vote in supporting him. I will gladly stand alone if need be in support of the man who has stood alone unashameably for the principles upon which our country was founded upon. I proudly support and will vote for Ron Paul. I am climbing down from the stump now....
 
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Ummm, no. I'm quite sure I agree with pretty much most of what Paul says. His viewpoints arent the problem. His lack of money, exposure and party support is.
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And I've made you an matching offer of up to two thousand dollars to do something about that. It's time to put up or shut up, bubba.
 
And I've made you an matching offer of up to two thousand dollars to do something about that. It's time to put up or shut up, bubba.
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Good for you. Even if everyone here donate 2k to the Ron Paul campaign he would still be MILLIONS of dollars behind the major names in the race.

He's a principled man folks. But being a principled man doesn't get you elected. I know plenty of principled people that will never be elected to office.

I encourage all of you to fight hard. Most of you don't actually bother to read the stuff I say since you stop at the part where I give a realistic assessment of Paul's chances. Vote for him. Send him money. Bake him cookies.

But when he doesn't win the primary, the gig is up.

Please, please PLEASE someone explain to me the point in voting for him if he doesn't win the primary (this of course assumes he runs as an independant which is still anyones guess).
 
STAGE 2, if you want to support a candidate who can be elected, pick someone other than a Congressman. No member of Congress has been elected to the Presidency since Kennedy.

Support the candidate who shares your views, but it's too early to start back-stabbing other candidates.
 
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Please, please PLEASE someone explain to me the point in voting for him if he doesn't win the primary (this of course assumes he runs as an independant which is still anyones guess).
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I did in post 91.

Put simply, the longer we vote for Reps no matter what their RKBA stand because "the Dems are worse", the more the Reps in office will take us for granted and the closer to the Dem position they'll get, in the attempt to get "moderate" votes from the Democrats and independents rather than the hardcore pro-RKBA votes from the Republicans.

Does this make any sort of sense to you?
 
Stage 2, you seem to have a major disconnect here, having trouble distinguishing between a PRIMARY and a GENERAL ELECTION. Poor thing. Nobody here has suggesting writing Ron Paul in on general election day in states that could be close. This is a PRIMARY RACE, not the GENERAL ELECTION. Try to make that distinction.:neener:

And what do we get when we try to go with someone electable? I don't give a rats ass what the rest of the boobs in America think. Most of them have never read their own country's founding documents, and you want me to think about who they might support for President to guide MY vote just so I can thump my chest and say I was on the winning team? If that "winning team" drags me through the mud, taxes me to death, sends my friends off to a war that has DICK to do with them to possibly die and DEFINITELY come back VASTLY different, and tries to usurp powers not enumerated in the Constitution and trample MY rights that are CLEARLY SPELLED OUT as being NATURAL RIGHTS INHERENT TO MY BEING, than is it really winning?
 
Does anyone remember the:

Whigs?
Tories?
Federalists?
Democratic-Republicans? (who later became the Democrats)

We haven't always had the two major parties we live with today. These current two evolved. And they evolved because people began to vote against what used to be the major parties. Those old major parties were then either replaced or they evolved into something new and more in line with the voters.

Both major parties are well overdue for evolution, but it will only happen when people stop voting for them as if they we the only choice.

If Ron Paul runs as either a Republican, Independent or Libertarian, it will help to move the evolutionary clock.

Bob
 
Stage 2, you seem to have a major disconnect here, having trouble distinguishing between a PRIMARY and a GENERAL ELECTION. Poor thing. Nobody here has suggesting writing Ron Paul in on general election day in states that could be close. This is a PRIMARY RACE, not the GENERAL ELECTION. Try to make that distinction.
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Thanks for the patronizing attitude. That aside, I have been completely clear in my statements. I have already said that people should completely vote their conscience in the primary. I'm already on record as saying I personally will either vote for Hunter or Tancredo. Haven't decided yet. The fact that people here don't understand that is beyond my ability to fix. People either read what they wish, or simply look at the title and dont bother to actually read anything at all. Your post is prima facie evidence of this.

And what do we get when we try to go with someone electable? I don't give a rats ass what the rest of the boobs in America think. Most of them have never read their own country's founding documents, and you want me to think about who they might support for President to guide MY vote just so I can thump my chest and say I was on the winning team? If that "winning team" drags me through the mud, taxes me to death, sends my friends off to a war that has DICK to do with them to possibly die and DEFINITELY come back VASTLY different, and tries to usurp powers not enumerated in the Constitution and trample MY rights that are CLEARLY SPELLED OUT as being NATURAL RIGHTS INHERENT TO MY BEING, than is it really winning?
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Well, its funny that you say that because it offends my sensibilities when people piss away my rights because they have some Charlton Heston complex. Unless some version of Red Dawn is goin on outside, "my cold dead hands" is a remedy for political suicide. And yes there are people here in this thread and others regarding Paul that have stated they will vote for him in the GENERAL election regardless. Thats just stupid. That is the definition of a wasted vote.

At the end of the day, the irony of your post is this. You complain about all the things that the "winning team" does to your rights. Yet these things pale in comparison to what the other team will do. You may not like the "boobs" in this country, but maintaining your rights depend upon those boobs.

There are more of them than there are of us, and this is a simple numbers game. Period.
 
You may not like the "boobs" in this country, but maintaining your rights depend upon those boobs.

There are more of them than there are of us, and this is a simple numbers game. Period.
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Just one more reason to oppose the tyranny of the majority, my man!;)
 
A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote? I think not. When one votes their conscience or their beliefs that vote is not wasted.

A vote NOT CAST is a wasted vote, and I refuse to waste my vote. Ron Paul may not have his name pre-printed on my ballot, but you can bet your $5,000 that it WILL be on the ballot that I cast.
 
Nobody here has suggesting writing Ron Paul in on general election day in states that could be close. This is a PRIMARY RACE, not the GENERAL ELECTION. Try to make that distinction.
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A vote NOT CAST is a wasted vote, and I refuse to waste my vote. Ron Paul may not have his name pre-printed on my ballot, but you can bet your $5,000 that it WILL be on the ballot that I cast.
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:rolleyes:

If you guys want to do this I normally wouldn't have any objection, except that your stupidity is going to affect MY rights. Going down with the ship does nothing.
 
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If you guys want to do this I normally wouldn't have any objection, except that your stupidity is going to affect MY rights. Going down with the ship does nothing.
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"...If you guys want to do this I normally wouldn't have any objection, except that your integrity is going to affect MY rights. Going down with the ship does nothing."

Just sayin' it nicer for ya. :)
 
Stage 2: How is my stupidity affecting your rights? By that theory then your stupidity for voting for Bush has affected mine?
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Its real simple. When Democrats hold the legislature and executive they are likely going to see this as some kind of mandate and spend some of that political capital on taking away my firearms. That kind of hacks me off. The chances of this happening with a divided government are much less.

As for Bush, I certianly don't agree with everything he's done, but I'm willing to bet that if you're honest, you can't point to a single thing that he's done that has effected you personally. This isn't meant to absolve him, but there is a difference between the potential for abuse and actually having your rights taken away.


"...If you guys want to do this I normally wouldn't have any objection, except that your integrity is going to affect MY rights. Going down with the ship does nothing."

Just sayin' it nicer for ya.
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Throughout the 1700's men of integrity fought wars by marching out a bunch of people, having them stand in front of a bunch of other people, and each side trading shots. A very honorable way to fight for the general eating a late brunch on the top of the hill, but not so much for the conscript who has to stand in front of the musket.

In the 1800's it was deemed honorable for men of nobility to shoot upwards into the air as opposed to shooting at their opponent when dueling. Their integrity demanded it. I'm sure they had this carved on their tombstone.

Integrity has served as a wonderful excuse for some really bonehead actions, and its often the battle cry for the foolhearty.

My integrity demands that I fight for my rights. My intellect demands that I do so effectively and efficiently.
 
The wasted vote argument is silly in light of the fact that we have an electoral college. If you didn't vote the way your state went, you "wasted" your vote. For example, a Libertarian vote counted exactly the same as if it had been a Republican vote if you voted in the 2004 presidential election in the state of California. Anyone who voted in the '04 election in California voted for Kerry, regardless of what you wrote on the ballot. All 55 votes went to him. So if you live in a blue state, the only ways to not waste your vote are to vote for the least damaging Democrat in the primary, or vote your concience in the primary.

As for Guiliani and his ilk, it matters not to me what banner a domestic enemy of the constitution flies. If that freedom-hater has an (R) next to their name, it doesn't make our rights any more secure.
 
If you guys want to do this I normally wouldn't have any objection, except that your stupidity is going to affect MY rights. Going down with the ship does nothing.
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Again with the failure to comprehend that this is a PRIMARY race. Giuliani's NOT going to win the primary there, slick, calm down. Southerners typically can't stand northerners telling them what to do, which is what Herr Rudolf would be, and they KNOW it. I don't think the Republicans would be stupid enough to piss away a few of the southern states that they could easily lose to the dems by getting behind the dictator of New York.

As for Bush, I certianly don't agree with everything he's done, but I'm willing to bet that if you're honest, you can't point to a single thing that he's done that has effected you personally. This isn't meant to absolve him, but there is a difference between the potential for abuse and actually having your rights taken away.
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At least you've dropped your talking up of your theocrat Hunter in favor of the theocratic dictator Shrubus Minimus.

Methinks someone here has an axe to grind w/ Dr. Paul...
 
gc70 said: STAGE 2, if you want to support a candidate who can be elected, pick someone other than a Congressman. No member of Congress has been elected to the Presidency since Kennedy.
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Member of Congress, as in US Representative? Or US Senator? JFK was a US Senator when he ran for POTUS.

Several POTUS candidates have been members of the Congress, and Governors. While the media would have us believe that only a Governor, or Senator have the kind of experience needed to run this Country, I have to disagree for the most part. I'm not talking about a first-term Senator or Representative, but somebody that has a track record, like Dr Ron Paul, of not only having a business background, but a political resume, would make an excellent choice.

I'm sick and tired of hearing the mantra about how lawyers make the best lawmakers because they "know the law". If all these lawyers really did "know the law" how could they ever propose bills or vote into law issues which conflict with the authority contained within the US Constitution?

We need somebody with "un-common" sense, with the strength to take a stand on issues most important to the survival of the USA. Not corporate America, or North America or global trade.
 
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As for Bush, I certianly don't agree with everything he's done, but I'm willing to bet that if you're honest, you can't point to a single thing that he's done that has effected you personally. This isn't meant to absolve him, but there is a difference between the potential for abuse and actually having your rights taken away.
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Speaking of statements that hack us off...

Just because some political action hasn't affected one personally does not mean one hasn't had one's rights taken away. :banghead:
 
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