Madcap_Magician
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I think my 8" SBR-ed Sig MPX wins out, but I'd like to do an SBR 9mm Charger. That just looks like it would be super handy and lightweight. And also half the cost of an MPX.
I had a Taurus CT9 which was both heavier than an M4 and kicked harder! The massive steel bolt had to weigh at least 5lb all by itself.....That said, it was very accurate and reliable with the factory (10 round) magazine. If only Taurus had manufacturered/ imported extra magazines for them, I would still have it- but they didnt, supposedly BATF had some sort of coniption over the gun and they were discontinued after only a couple years. I did modify both UZI and Colt SMG mags to work, but not reliably enough for HD duty.As for shoot ability, blowback 9mm’s actually have a surprising amount of kick and muzzle jump because of the heavy bolt hitting the back of the receiver. It’s really not as light of an impulse as you might expect it to be unless you get a delayed blowback of some type. A straight blowback is pretty similar in impulse to a 223 or 300 blackout AR in my opinion. I’ve had 3 blowback 9mms and I have 1 radial delayed CMMG 9mm AR. The CMMG has almost no recoil impulse. None of the 9mm carbines I’ve had have been reliable enough for me to consider for home defense, but there are options that are very reliable, like an MP5 for instance. If I wanted a semi auto home defense carbine I would use a 300 blackout AR as they are dead reliable and will be much more terminally effective than any 9mm round. 300 blackout is also not nearly as deafening as a 16” 223 is, especially if you put a blast forwarder or better yet a krink brake on it.
I had a Taurus CT9 which was both heavier than an M4 and kicked harder! The massive steel bolt had to weigh at least 5lb all by itself.....That said, it was very accurate and reliable with the factory (10 round) magazine. If only Taurus had manufacturered/ imported extra magazines for them, I would still have it- but they didnt, supposedly BATF had some sort of coniption over the gun and they were discontinued after only a couple years. I did modify both UZI and Colt SMG mags to work, but not reliably enough for HD duty.
Currently have a PSA-9 and it is both reliable and surprisingly soft-shooting. I think they may be running an extra heavy buffer and spring. I would use it for HD without reservation.
Yep.
About 5.7 lbs empty and less than 30" long.
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Some folks SBR the barrel just past the forend to shorten it even further.
Person in video is not me.
Data lifted from BBTI. See that a 10" (or 16") 9mm comes pretty close to a 10" .223 Remington. And since we know any additional hydrostatic shock usually doesn't kick in in a 10.5" 223 barrel (unless you're dropping down to 45gr bullets or something weird) you're actually honestly possibly better off with a 9mm and a bullet designed for that speed range vs a 223 bullet that may not tumble, mushroom, or do anything like you expect from an AR. ARs have a number of other advantages that are worth noting. But food for thought.
Nice. The optimal barrel length to maximize 9mm velocity is like 11" isn't it?
Nice. The optimal barrel length to maximize 9mm velocity is like 11" isn't it?
9mm carbine for HD/SD? MP-5, Sten, Uzi, Schmisser, Sterling, M3, all say yes, you can use a 9mm carbine for CQC, HD with spectacular results. Low recoil, easy to control/point,cheap to train with.
Imagine training with 100 rounds of 12 ga 00 buck vs 100 rounds of 124 gr fmj.
I have experience with 5.56 carbines and would chose it as my personal choice, but the 9mm is an excellent choice.
Is that a problem?Those are all fully automatic though.
Is that a problem?
The direction of that all depends on who you talk to.The person is comparing submachine guns to semi-auto only carbines. It is not a fair comparison.
Actually, they do, and there were others besides the Lugers, HP's, Broomhandles, etc.There is a reason no military I've ever heard of fielded a semi auto 9mm carbine.
And no, artillery lugers don't count.
My point in naming submachine guns was to compare caliber, size of weapon, capacity, of commonly recognized platforms. The ability to fire full auto is irrelevant. A PC carbine is well suited for SD/HD from 1 to 75-100 meters IMHO.
@drobs what’s the “vid” Another name for the Covid sham lockdowns or what?