rust never sleeps--or the eternal push for illegal immigrant amnesty

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

The "best" minds have already found the way. It's called "screw the middle class and let the rich prosper."

Why pay more to hire legal Americans that expect things like fair working conditions and other such nonsense when you can get illegal "day labor" for pennies on the dollar.

Why indeed?

My money belongs to me. I decide how I want to spend it. If I want to trade some of my money for another man's labor, that's my right as a free man. Why should I be required to act against my own best interest and hire a "legal American" for an unreasonably high wage when there are better/smarter/fairer alternatives in the marketplace?

What right do you or the government have to tell me what I can and can't do with my money?

You speak of "screwing the middle class." How do you reconcile that with the fact that you're denying middle class Americans access to a free market? The free market is the single best way to achieve prosperity.

 

[El Barto]

Aloha,

Nice to meet you. I live in Bell, so we are talking about the same area.

 

[Biker]

Aloha...

You're readin' me wrong. I'm the last one who would want to shed blood because a person was born in a different country. However, there is a quiet war being fought all over the USA as a consequence of this invasion. Yes, they're hitting us here in Idaho. Most of the meth comes in with Mexicans. The further east they come, the more meth and crime that follows.
It's a culture clash and it's not going away.
Fact is, I don't like being pushed - I push back.
If our pols did the job that they were hired to do, this wouldn't be happening. However, they're not so us little folk have to deal with the mess.
Ride safe, Friend.
Biker

 

[jlseagull]

they're hitting us here in Idaho. Most of the meth comes in with Mexicans. The further east they come, the more meth and crime that follows.

Most of the meth is brought in by Mexicans????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

That's rich.

Sure glad we don't have that problem here in Arizona. Have fun with your tinfoil hat.

 

[engineer151515]

Headless Thompson Gunner

Why should I be required to act against my own best interest and hire a "legal American" for an unreasonably high wage when there are better/smarter/fairer alternatives in the marketplace?

There is nothing "fair" about one construction company being required to pay taxes/fees/licenses for "legal" workers while the other, using "illegal" labor, doesn't. Those taxes are one of the reasons the legal American worker's wage may seem "unreasonably high".

 

[Glock Glockler]

How do you reconcile that with the fact that you're denying middle class Americans access to a free market?

HTG,

Would you call a free market the current situation when I am forced to pay for all the govt services illegals consume? You cannot have your cake and eat it too, if we did not have the welfare state we do I would agree with you but we have a giant problem and thought needs to go into how to eliminate it. It's not so simple as "just get rid of the welfare state", because if it were that easy we would have done it long ago with the same ease I can flip a toggle switch.

I have talked with many illegals over the years and there is a general vibe I got from them, they are basically ok with working for little money, and to their credit many that I have known did work hard in less than optimal conditions, but that govt bennies were their right in exchange for their work. They also thought that the govt's job was to equal things out in terms of wealth and that they would vote, often several times an election day, for the one who promised them more bennies. This is not an accross the board condemnation nor do I claim this to be objective evidence, only what I gathered from my encounters.

Both from my experience and from simple math I dont see these immigrants "who work for sooooooo little" to vote themselves out of welfare bennies they depend on.

 

[GTSteve03]

What right do you or the government have to tell me what I can and can't do with my money?

You choose to live in the country, you choose to live by the rules of the country. I expect others to live by the rules set forth in our society. You can choose to break them and suffer the consequences.

Do you pay your taxes? If so, why? You don't seem to feel that the government has the right to take your money away.

 

[garyk/nm]

We seem to have drifted far away from the initial topic of the Senate trying to ram this down our throats from behind closed ( and bulletproof, no doubt) doors.
I think it is high time to send a message to our elected things, to wit: You will do what is in the best interest of those you represent, or you will be removed from office by whatever means necessary. This ain't a kingdom, and you ain't royalty.
And lobbying needs to be made an offense punishable by hanging.

I am so sick of getting screwed by the elite class that I could just vomit.

 

[jlseagull]

Do you pay your taxes? If so, why? You don't seem to feel that the government has the right to take your money away.

Let's hope you sway him with your argument. I used to work at a receivership that handled the assets of scam artists that had been caught.

Trust me when I tell you that at every level of law enforcement loved the guys who claimed that they were "exempt from taxes" for _insert reason here_, and they consequently got extra attention. My personal favorite was discovering a guy who'd dropped $15,000 on websites and seminars that promised him that they'd provide the legal loophole to avoid taxes.

In the end, he stood before a judge and told him that he was exempt from taxes because he didn't recognize the state of Washington's claim to statehood, and therefore his owned land was sovereign.

 

[Kodiaz]

Well Gary I think the time for voting with ballots is over we vote these people in and then we get blown off while the crooks do whatever they get bribed to do. Change some of the vowels on ballots and maybe they will pay attention when people vote

 

[Art Eatman]

"Drifting along with the tumbling tumbleweeds..."

, Art