Sad story,what would have you guys done ?

[Zero_DgZ]

Something's been bothering me about these sorts of things.

I've been robbed at gunpoint, too.

In the case of three high school students, you have to ask yourself if these guys just think they're badasses or if they're actually going to shoot you. My reasoning is that ten to one the gun is just there for intimidation and none of them are out to shoot anybody that night.

If they were, they would have shot the guy straight off and then gone for the girl.

In such a situation, even if I were unarmed it wouldn't be pretty for those three. I can swing pretty good and a cliffside isn't a good place to get in a fight with an angry guy defending his love, you know?

Go for the nearest gun and feed it to the nearest attacker. Even if you do get hurt to killed you went down fighting.

But that's just me. I'm older and bitter, now.

 

[torpid]

Not that it applies in this story/location, but this story really makes me appreciate couples where both carry and are ready to work as a team to protect each other.

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[MrTwigg]

these guys just think they're badasses

Too bad they didn't think like this when the Suffolk County P.D. had them at gunpoint.

Each faces up to 170 years in prison if convicted.

What really burns me about this is they will most likely be out in 5 to 7 years with time off for "Good Behavior". :banghead:

 

[Azrael256]

What really burns me about this is they will most likely be out in 5 to 7 years

What really burns me is that they'll get a prison term that long. It can't be more than three minutes from the bench to the front lawn of the courthouse. A good solid tree and an extension cord will do in a pinch.

A man murdering another man in an honest fight is definitely wrong, but it's still an understandable human action. These savages gave up their right to be called human, and should be disposed of promptly.

I agree with fighting to the death. I may well die, but if there's such a thing as justice, I'll get to kick the bastards through the gates of hell.

 

[LSCurrier]

I live about 20 minutes drive from there and have been in that area many times.

I don't believe that I could let that happen to my friend / girlfriend / wife and not do something. I don't care if they have a gun or not - I would HAVE to create the right moment to do something.

It makes me VERY ANGRY when the filth of this world take advantage of people in ways that hurt them physically, emotionally, or mentally in ways that you don't recover from.

It also make me VERY ANGRY that is Demacrat controlled liberal state ties our hands so that we are not able to maintain the means to protect ourselves. I am sick of the "the police will protect you" attitude!! Where were the police to protect this man and woman from these three pieces of filth??

I don't believe that I could contain myself if I was that womans boyfriend / husband / father. I know this is wrong to say. All I can say is that I don't every want to be put into a position where I have to make that kind of choice.

Hopefully they will be put away for a nice long time. Though I wonder why put someone in jail when you have no intent of ever letting them out. It seems that death is the right way to go for these vermin.

Luke

 

[Phyphor]

No. Hell no. A thousand times NO!

Let me say it in small, simple words so that there is no doubt.

The guy who does the crime is the guilty one.

Maybe the victim could have done something better or differently. Maybe you or I would have done something different. It doesn't matter. The ones who pointed guns and raped that poor girl are the only ones responsible for the crime. They're the ones who should be hanged head down over a slow fire while the victims' families get creative with knives and pliers. Nobody else.

The thief is the one who steals. The murderer is the one who murders. The rapist is the one who rapes.

+infinity

 

[xjmox14x]

Hopefully they will get what they deserver in prison. Because in actuality, in prisons, rapists and sex offenders are at the bottom on the totem pole. I give it a week before their farts come out like a mild gust of wind and dont make any noise. The pricks will get exactly what they deserve. Merely an eye for an eye.

 

[LAK]

I would not have parked in a position (if this is what happened) where one vehicle could block my exit; and if one, two or more vehicles approach my engine is running when there is any sign that they want to get close.

Sounds to me as if the male party in this would not have been any better off with a sidearm; as his tormentors were on him before he realized even what even might happen.

Some other observations on this very painful subject:

Rather than turn the country into an extension of the prison yard, and having "background checks" - and free people stripped of their rights as a result of a previous crime; people that commit these types of crimes ought to do the time, the whole time, and nothing but the time decided by the court - with hard labor. Second time around - life. No "parole", no exceptions.

In as far as incarceration can be a deterrent; this would be a deterrent.

Another issue is civil suits. Had the male party shot and perhaps killed one or more of the assailants in defending himself and his lady, even if he were no-billed, or tried and found innocent of any wrongdoing, he might be subject to a civil suit by any of the assailants and or their families.

This is a flat injustice to all. Since it may hinder lawful defense, and essentially amounts to - regardless of the arguements to the contrary - being tried for the same thing twice in two different courts. Judges that fail to dismiss cases arising from incidents like this one ought to be immediately impeached and suffer criminal penalties where such is deemed appropriate.

So there there are several factors which set this couple up for a fall; one which both will not likely ever fully "recover" from if that is the right word.

First is their own ignorance. Their age perhaps being the most likely factor in this regard.

Second is a perverted culture which has been deliberately feed, fostered and protected in this country for decades - with the complicit assistance of a corrupt government under a variety of excuses.

Next is a corrupt and criminal Legislature at State and Federal level - who have both intervened over time to ensure that as many people as possible are vulnerable to such assaults.

The refusal - by default - of the same Legislatures to take the actions which are their right and mandated duty. To take whatever action is necessary to ensure that the Judiciary at State and federal levels do what they are supposed to.
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[Working Man]

I've always like this wording:
Josey Wales: Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.

Amen brother.

Working Man, you and I are on the same wavelength. My GF's dad is an ex-LEO. He was a Watch Commander. When I was over for Christmas, he made me. It was dark, and I had my M9, not my normal G26. He asked me why I was packing. I told him, because I will protect Jan with with my life. Nothing will happen to her on my watch. He smiled, shook my hand. As we were walking back to the family room, he put his arm on my shoulder and said. "Honey, you have a keeper here".

That's what a father should do. My ex from years ago, her father said he was
confident with me being with his daughter because he knew she would be
safe...... His wife said that was because I would kill anyone that would
threaten us.... I don't think she meant it in a good way, more like "he's
barbaric and not good enough for our daughter". Her dad just smiled and
said "I know". He was ex military and understood some things are worth
fighting for.... and his daughter sure as hell was one of those things.

This is a good reminder post about the dangers out there, the rage most of
us feel from reading it comes from thinking about our loved ones in that
situation. Never forget that feeling, keep it close to the surface, your SO
loves you, trusts you, feels safe with you, don't betray that trust..... every
fight is your last, never more true than in that type of situation. Do not fail
them, often they are all we have of any real value. Do not fail them!

 

[Missashot]

That is horrible. I pray that the couple make it through together. I know that both will be scarred for the rest of their lives. The woman for having that happen to her and the man for not being able to stop it.
I also hope that the a$$ holes who committed such a horrendous act will be held in prison for many and I do mean MANY years to come. I think life for each with no chance for parole would be great.
That being said, I have to agree that the couple wasn't very smart for parking in a deserted area with no protection. (Even though I remember doing the same thing in the 80s when I was a stupid kid).
I don't have that problem now. My husband and I both carry at all times and between the both of us, usually we have at least 20-30 rounds ready to fire. And he's not romantic enough to want to park somewhere like that anyway.

 

[Havegunjoe]

Have to agree with S& W 910

i rarely read stories like this with people that carry.

i've notice that carring not only gives you the ability to defend yourself,but more importantly it makes you much more aware of your surroundings

in that situation the minute a car pulled up behind me i would have my gun on my lap and car started and driving away in seconds.

if i was boxed in i would not have let them walk up on me.i would have gotten out of my car ,gun in hand concealed by my side or behind my back sighting everyone up and told them to move thier car.

thats not a garuantee things would have went smoothly,but i would have been in a better position to react and defend myself and girlfreind and no way would i have allowed myself to be taken hostage

This is about the best plan you can hope for in a situation like this. The only addition to this is don't be in a state that takes away your right to self defense. It's obvious that the Government can't protect you all the time, like they would have you think.

 

[1911Tuner]

re:

I say it's a good thing that the victims weren't armed. They might have killed those poor, misunderstood teenage boys, and the Brady Bunch would have had three more children killed by gun violence to add to their stats.

Sarcasm mode off...

Wish the couple had been armed with a pair of Uzis.

Best we can hope for now is for the little pukes to draw a bit of
"What goes around, comes around" when they get their bunks at Big Boys' Town, inc.

 

[The Viking]

What really burns me about this is they will most likely be out in 5 to 7 years with time off for "Good Behavior". :banghead:

Good. That makes it easier for someone to take care of them the proper way. Let'em dig their own graves first...

 

[Otherguy Overby]

It's sad that our PC society has done away with lynching. Seems there's a need for it in this case.

Sheesh, if I were the judge, I'd sentence them to be burned at the stake the afternoon of their guilty verdict.

 

[xjmox14x]

Good. That makes it easier for someone to take care of them the proper way. Let'em dig their own graves first...

I agree. Their names are posted...there should be a lynching.

 

[yy]

so much rage, so much hate...

Guys,

I agree that the perps should be taken down like sick animals.

But let's do it in a rational fashion. Maybe even compasionate fashion. The rage and hate will only harm our own blood pressure. Learn from others' mistakes and do better. Be ready to get on the offensive to defend ourselves. But maintain clarity of mind at all times.... Your shots will place better that way.

om......

 

[ziadel]

what would I do? To quote the legendary Sublime:

Tell sanchito that if he knows what is good for him he best go run and hide.
Daddy’s got a new .45.
And I won’t think twice to stick that barrel straight down sancho’s throat.
Believe me when I say that I got somethin for his punk a$$.

 

[stealthmode]

if i make my comment about what i would do, i will surely be banned.

i will say this, if i were the victim i would raise he double tooth picks with all levels of government for all the lies they tell by getting the anti defense laws passed

 

[MrTwigg]

I'm kinda new here but, I feel a need to speak

*Stepping up on soapbox*

Talking about lynching or going after these guys (As despicable as they are.) isn't going to accomplish anything worthwhile. Postings of this nature will bring only scrutiny , criticism and only add fuel to the already plentiful anti-gun rhetoric. :banghead:

Learn to work within the system. Support pro 2nd amendment candidates of your local government. Work to ease carry laws in restrictive states. Educate yourselves and others with the facts about R.K.B.A... Join or start a neighborhood watch program and work at keeping it active.

Choose to make a difference.

Sometimes the best defense is just a nosey neighbor with a cell phone. Not a shotgun with 3 ½ “ 00 buckshot. Both have their place.

These guys will get what they have coming to them. Darwin was right.

*Stepping off soapbox* OK I feel better now.

 

[1911Tuner]

Lynchin'

MrTwigg said:

>Talking about lynching or going after these guys (As despicable as they are.) isn't going to accomplish anything worthwhile.<
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Yeah...you're right. The Brady Bunch would probably just raise a cry to register all ropes...

 

[rocky]

Seems awareness and reaction would have helps alot. Once someone comes behind me, hits the brights, I would be moving. An SUV is big enough you can usually move other cars outta the way, even if they are about the same size.
Sure makes me mad as to the actions of POS kids these days. Perhaps instead of rehabilitation, NY should think of casteration.

 

[bcolorado]

Been in similar situations. They unfortunately chose to be victims once they got out of their vehicle. Along with firearm courses should be defensive driving courses. When I was a teen we used to practice manuvers on the country roads. That practise has saved my neck more than once. The last time was several years ago, my daughter, who was 11 , was in the car. No way in haides was anything going to happen to her.

 

[Kramer Krazy]

*Stepping up on soapbox*

Talking about lynching or going after these guys (As despicable as they are.) isn't going to accomplish anything worthwhile.

Oh....and I assume having heat on cold days, a/c on hot days, 3-square meals a day, cable TV, workout centers, free education/college degrees, and the like while in jail ARE going to make a difference?

I believe public hangings should be brought back. I strongly believe that less murders would be commited, less vehicles would be stolen, assault and battery would happen far less, and crime in general would decrease. If you grow up seeing public hangings and knowing what they were hung for, I don't think you can use some lame-butt excuse in your defense as "but I really didn't understand that I was doing anything wrong". Far too many excuses for crime these days is that the youth has no connection to realism. Well, let them see one of their buddy's get hung. I'm sure reality will sink in quicker than any of these stupid "reality" TV shows that they watch these days. The credo that everyone should live by is....."do unto others as you'd want done to you".....Today's youth has twisted it to state, "Do unto others before they get the chance to do it to you".......yeah....hang them.....hang 'em high!

 

[SSN Vet]

surrender of society

I have to voice strong disagreement with the post by Preacherman.

The implicit logic is that ... anywhere bad guys hang out is off limits ... and if you go there, you're responsible for whatever happens to you.

1. the criminals are responsible for their actions ... this couple lived there all there life ... as do thousands of others.

2. Just how many square miles of this country are we supposed to turn over to the scum of the earth. What do you do when they decide they want to rule in your neighborhood.

So how does everyone feel about the million dollors of your tax money that will go to defend, house, educate, feed and entertain these scums for the next 20 years? That's exactly what they're going to get Mr. Twigg.

IMHO....that is not what they have coming to them...

Capital punishment for violent murder and rape.....standard....no "reduced" sentences...no deals...you play you pay...dearly....

 

[MrTwigg]

Oh....and I assume having heat on cold days, a/c on hot days, 3-square meals a day, cable TV, workout centers, free education/college degrees, and the like while in jail ARE going to make a difference?

No, I don't think it will make one bit of difference at all. I believe these predators will become repeate offenders all too quickly once they have "Paid their debt to society."

I believe public hangings should be brought back. I strongly believe that less murders would be commited, less vehicles would be stolen, assault and battery would happen far less, and crime in general would decrease. If you grow up seeing public hangings and knowing what they were hung for, I don't think you can use some lame-butt excuse in your defense as "but I really didn't understand that I was doing anything wrong". Far too many excuses for crime these days is that the youth has no connection to realism. Well, let them see one of their buddy's get hung. I'm sure reality will sink in quicker than any of these stupid "reality" TV shows that they watch these days.

I agree 100% ! Hangings should be performed in front of the entire prison population, be made public and televised. Think of the ratings !


I have no faith in the reformation of sexual predators and "Career crimminals", I strongly advocate incaration as punishment not for reformation. Let them make big rocks into little rocks with a ball & chain around one ankle for 20 hours every day for the rest of their lives.

Death is too good for some.