Savage action length

[Larry in wyoming]

As I remember it from way back at the dawn of time; probably around 1990 or so, savage had one action length. The 110. It was a long 30-06 length action if I remember right. Every cartridge they chambered went into that action from 223 to 300 win mag.
About that time they came out with the two digit actions. Mdl 10, 12, etc. a 308 length action right?
I see they still list a 110 chambered in 223 size cartridges. Are those still long actions chambered for dainty little cartridges?
Not that it matters to the rest of the world but it kind of goes against my teutonic sense of efficiency.

Back to the question: Are all the 3 digit actions still long actions?

 

[12Bravo20]

Savage still makes short action rifles even though they went back to using the same model number for both short and long action rifles.

 

[Larry in wyoming]

So you're saying that that 110 chambered in 223 could actually be a short action?

 

[stillquietvoice]

Pretty much action length depends on cartridge length, however a 223 round in a short action is still like throwing a hotdog down a hallway due to a short action savage being almost as long as other manufactures long actions. This is not a savage bash as the extra length allows for longer oal's.

 

[Larry in wyoming]

As a point of reference, I have 4 savages in my safe.
A flat top 110 in 300wm.
A mdl 10 in 308.
A Stevens 200 in 223 switch barrel to 250 savage.
And a 23b in 25-20.

It doesn't make sense to me that they would go back to the single model number for long and short action or put 223 in a long action; but HEY they didn't ask my opinion either

 

[12Bravo20]

So you're saying that that 110 chambered in 223 could actually be a short action?

Correct.

 

[LoonWulf]

As a point of reference, I have 4 savages in my safe.
A flat top 110 in 300wm.
A mdl 10 in 308.
A Stevens 200 in 223 switch barrel to 250 savage.
And a 23b in 25-20.

It doesn't make sense to me that they would go back to the single model number for long and short action or put 223 in a long action; but HEY they didn't ask my opinion either

Did that with the Axis lol....
the10/110s just got a dumb designator change, the .223-.308 etc are still built on short actions...at least all of the ones ive seen since they changed.
I do like the savage short actions being longer than the standard 2.8" but as all ready noted, in a .223 size cartridge it's more than a bit oversized.

 

[Larry in wyoming]

Did that with the Axis lol....
the10/110s just got a dumb designator change, the .223-.308 etc are still built on short actions...at least all of the ones ive seen since they changed.
I do like the savage short actions being longer than the standard 2.8" but as all ready noted, in a .223 size cartridge it's more than a bit oversized.

I thought it was genius that the short action was two digits and the long was three. Then someone just HAD to screw it up.

 

[LoonWulf]

I thought it was genius that the short action was two digits and the long was three. Then someone just HAD to screw it up.

well.....yeah.... thats what people do

 

[Turkeytider]

So you're saying that that 110 chambered in 223 could actually be a short action?

My 110 in .223 is short action.

 

[Show Me]

Two savage Wal-Mart .223's stamped mod 11. Bolt and mag have spacers. To shorten the short action even more. Made one into a .308 after the mag broke. Back when the .223 mag was unobtainable. That qualifies as a shortened short action.

 

[kmw1954]

Could always just go to Savageshooters.com , look under the FAQ and get the actual history and specs.

 

[12Bravo20]

Two savage Wal-Mart .223's stamped mod 11. Bolt and mag have spacers. To shorten the short action even more. Made one into a .308 after the mag broke. Back when the .223 mag was unobtainable. That qualifies as a shortened short action.

Savage still makes a few special runs that are stamped as Model 10, 11, or 12 for certain retailers such as Walmart and Cabela's.

The following is from Savageshooters.com https://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?128-Savage-Action-Lengths

Model Designation Changes

In 2018 Savage Arms decided to revert back to using the "Model 110" for all new models being introduced to the market. This change has resulted in a lot of confusion as rifles chambered in both long and short action cartridges would now have a three-digit model number whereas in the past short-action chambered rifles had a two-digit model number (i.e. Model 11). To make this even more confusing for their customers, Savage Arms also continues to offer various models in their lineup that still utilize the two-digit/three-digit designation for short and long actions (i.e. the Model 10 BA Stealth and Model 110 BA Stealth).

Aside from the model designation changing, nothing else has changed on these models. As such, A Model 110 Hunter in .30-06 Springfield still uses the same Gen 3 long-action receiver and a Model 110 Hunter in .243 Winchester still uses a Gen 3 short-action receiver.

And here is the link for the Savageshooters.com FAQ's. https://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?123-savage-faq-s

 

[Hunter 08]

Yeah they had changed the naming again and I had asked this question months ago. Was used to seeing model 10 for short and 110 for standard/long action. Every new 110 will be either short or long action depending on the caliber chosen.

 

[Larry in wyoming]

Well....it's not an insurmountable problem. Remington 700s have been both long and short action for forever. Just seems like switching back would/is causing some minor issues. But once again, they never asked my opinion.

 

[Larry in wyoming]

Savage still makes a few special runs that are stamped as Model 10, 11, or 12 for certain retailers such as Walmart and Cabela's.

The following is from Savageshooters.com https://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?128-Savage-Action-Lengths



And here is the link for the Savageshooters.com FAQ's. https://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?123-savage-faq-s

Thanks for the links!

 

[jmr40]

Savage's numbering system is confusing. Especially since they have changed nomenclature several times. They have also redesigned the magazine and screw spacing for attaching stocks. If you want to get confused, try buying an aftermarket stock for a Savage. You can't just buy a long or short action stock, you also have to know when it was made, what the screw spacing is and the type of magazine it uses.

And then action length is relative. What Savage calls a short action has a loading/ejection port that is only about 1/16" shorter than everyone else's long action. And their long actions are about 1/4 to 1/2" longer than everyone else's long action. If you use 2 piece scope mounts on a long action Savage there are very few scopes long enough to fit.