dh1633pm
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Eurooptic is having veteran discounts on Vortex Scopes if someone is looking.
scope recommendations under $200
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Hugger-4641
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Not a bad choice. I have that scope on my CVA Wolf. I also have a Sierra on my 110 Tactical. No complaints on either. I like the power lever on the buckmaster, wish Burris would do something similar.
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does it hold the settings well or need adjusted often? im hoping i get it zoned in and its good for a while. id hate for him to have to sight it in all the timeNot a bad choice. I have that scope on my CVA Wolf. I also have a Sierra on my 110 Tactical. No complaints on either. I like the power lever on the buckmaster, wish Burris would do something similar.
Hugger-4641
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If it holds up to 120gr of Pyrodex and 290gr bullet in my .50 Wolf, which it does, then no. 270 is going to phase it.
I sighted last year and when I pulled out a couple weeks ago for this years season, it was still dead on.
I sighted last year and when I pulled out a couple weeks ago for this years season, it was still dead on.
LiveLife
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Good of you to do this for your FIL.
Although you already ordered a scope, I compared several scopes in "Sub $200 6-18/20/24x50mm scope comparison" thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...4x50mm-scope-comparison.901816/#post-12216619
Bushnell Dusk & Dawn 6-18x50 and Burris FF E1 6.5-20x50 1" tube scopes were compared to 30mm tube Viridian Serac 6-24x50 and Vortex Crossfire II 6-24x50 scopes. And I got to compare these later to Vortex Strike Eagle 4-24x50 (30mm tube), Athlon BTR 10-40x56 (30mm tube) and Arken EP5 5-25x56 (34mm tube) under bright sun and low light conditions out to 100 yards.
Since the comparison thread, prices have gone up for some of the scopes and Bushnell D&D ($122 Made in Korea), Viridian Serac ($150 Made in China), and Burris FF E1 ($178 Made in Philippines) are currently under $200 all with lifetime warranty.
All of these have bright field of view and sharpness to see 22LR holes at 100 yards under bright sun, if you need to see under low light conditions (As we all age, we are subject to increasing degrees of cataract and yellowing/dimming of field of view and I had cataract surgery with Vivity IOL implants with 100% light transmission), as others already posted 30mm tube Vortex Crossfire II will provide slightly brighter field of view than 1" tube Burris FF E1 or 30mm tube Viridian Serac which are comparable (For my eyes).
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greyling22
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Maybe I just looked through a pair of bad ones, but I'm astonished at the number of folks recommending the crossfire. The ones I've looked through were substantially bad. Yellow and dark. A clear step down from Diamondbacks, anything Burris or SIG or Bushnell I have seen.
troy fairweather
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They look horrible to my eyes to, everyone sees different tho.
Add me to that list lol, ive used a fair number of them and theres one on my wifes .243 that came as a package.
Really dont care for them.
LiveLife
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I got to compare Crossfire II to Arken EP5 and my other scopes and to my surprise, even under low light conditions, Crossfire II's field of view was quite bright ... Could I claim on par with EP5? No ... but reading 22LR holes at 100 yards under heavy treelined shadow, no problem.
I would say for my post-cataract surgery with Vivity IOL which has 100% light transmission, 30mm tube Crossfire II provided comparable, if not slightly brighter field of view than 1" tube Burris FF E1 (to my surprise) as Burris provides bright and clear field of view for my eyes as compared to many other brands of scopes I tested at the store in the $200-$500 range.
Please note that all of these scopes with the exception of Burris were purchased this year and Burris was purchased August of last year and perhaps Vortex used/updated different lens compared to previous years models.
Of course, depending on your degree of cataract/yellowing of eyes, brightness and color of field of view will vary from person to person.
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Ive never seen a 30mm cf2, all ive seen are rhe 3-9s and 4-12s. Could be the 30s got upgraded optics/coatings or perhaps our eyes just see thru the scopes differently.
Optically i seem to have better results with AOs over SFs, and USUALLY run out if focus with SFs......so we can probably assume my eyes are kinda wonky.
LiveLife
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I am 56 and could not believe how fast my cataract, especially yellowing and darkening of eyes got until after the cataract surgery. Before surgery, if I dropped my keys next to the bed on the floor, I couldn't see them, that's how dark my eyes got.
And since night/driving vision was important to me, I didn't want more established IOL implants which split light transmission between near/far sight. So my eye surgeon recommended Vivity IOL which provides 100% light transmission for both near and far sight but also did not produce halo/rainbow effect above oncoming headlights for night driving.
After surgery, even without the room light on, when I tossed the keys on the floor next to bed shadow, I had no problem seeing the keys and even during night with very dim night light, now I can see everything in the room.
So, do not wonder too much about field of view brightness or color shift, especially if your eyes have gotten yellower/darker from aging as it's normal (I happened to pick the wrong parents and my eye aging was faster than other people's eyes, who may not even need surgery before they die).
What I can report for THR is that now with 100% light transmission Vivity IOL implants (After surgery, everything looked really bright, almost heavenly rapture intense bright with blue hue due to extended time I got used to yellowing of my eyes and now I need to wear sunglasses even when it's not full sun), at least I can provide comparative field of view brightness with the scopes I have at same 100 yard target of 22LR holes in both bright sun and under low light conditions.
I will see if I can get an adapter for my Samsung A12 phone to take pictures through different scopes for comparison.
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Thats good info, my dads 73 and begin to complain about he vision, ill mention what youve had done to him.
Im 39, and while i ware contacts my corrected vision is really bloody good. Low lights not really an issue for me.
What can be an issue is that the focus range on optics seems to be "short" for me. A fixed 150yd scope will be "on" at 75-80yds, and most SFs run out of focus at about 600-700yds.
Which i never noticed till i actually bought scopes i could tell wernt in focus at 600+ lol.
I also seem to have some issues with some optics coatings...or at least thats my guess.
LiveLife
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My post-cataract surgery vision check with Vivity IOL is 20/20 and surprisingly, I can now read small prints on posters on opposite walls at offices/stores.
As expressed by my eye surgeon, fine print closer than arm's reach requires magnifications but no issues as I found sunglasses/yellow high contrast shooting glasses with 1.5-2.5x magnifiers built-in to the lens so using scopes at the range doesn't require changing out sun/shooting glasses with reading glasses.
cdb1
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I’ve mounted and looked through many Crossfire’s. To my eyes the glass is subpar compared to a Fullfield in good light. In low light the difference is even more pronounced.
gunmechanic
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Burris drop tine or a vortex cross fire is my call!
LiveLife
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I did buy one of these recently. For the money, it's a heck of a deal. Glass is clear and the adjustments are positive. Since your dad's rifle had a 4-12 on it this would be pretty similar for him.
https://www.amazon.com/Burris-Fullf...fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0&th=1
Every one of my scopes that have 40/42 mm objectives gets by with low rings. I like my scopes mounted as low as possible. But that's my experience not a guarantee for your rifle.
https://www.amazon.com/Burris-Fullf...fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0&th=1
Every one of my scopes that have 40/42 mm objectives gets by with low rings. I like my scopes mounted as low as possible. But that's my experience not a guarantee for your rifle.
earlthegoat2
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Is it exactly fair to compare 1” vs 30mm tube optics on a level playing field?
Hugger-4641
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I don't think it makes that much difference on a .270 for hunting. You're talking about 4mm (5/32) difference in diameter.
LiveLife
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Yes, I think in some ways, especially at this price range.
"For my eyes", Burris FF E1 6.5-20x50 with 1" tube provides brighter and sharper field of view for me to see tiny 22LR holes at 100 yards or small print on wall at the store about 50-75 yards away comparing other brand 1" tube scopes like Nikon, Vortex, Leupold, etc. at $200-$500 price range.
When I compared Vortex Crossfire II/Burris FF E1/Viridian Serac to Arken EP5 under low light conditions at 100 yards, I expected 34mm tube Arken to blow these scopes away.
Surprise.
To my post-caratact surgery with 100% light transmission Vivity IOL implants at 20/20 vision, I was shocked Arken EP5 did not produce significantly noticable enhancement in seeing 22LR holes at 100 yards on copy paper targets. Yes, even 30mm tube Viridian that only costs $150 allowed me to see 22LR holes.
Of course, eye box feel and scope turret features and sharpness throughout the field of view was better with Arken EP5, but was it $400 more better? Not at 100 yards looking at 22LR holes and Viridian Serac has 1/8 MOA external tactical locking turrets
(At $150, Viridian Serac has to be the most underrated scope right now, hands down and why it is my reference scope for accurized 10/22 that is producing around 1/2" groups at 50 yards with CCI/Blazer).So would I spend $120 more to buy Vortex Crossfire II when I can get comparable field of view brightness and sharpness with Burris FF E1?
No.
And while I did like Arken EP5 5-25x56 with 34mm tube, my Athlon Gen II BTR 10-40x56 with 30mm tube leaves it behind beyond 24x at any distance.
cdb1
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They were not but my premise is the same because I’m talking about glass quality, not field of view, adjustment range, etc.
BigBL87
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I'll recommend Burris every day and twice on Sunday. Fullfield E1, Fullfield II, Droptine should all fall on your price range, at least of you can still find the first two on sale like they have been for awhile. Hard to beat as far as value for your dollar.
Primary Arms also has a couple scopes below that $200 threshold that might be worth checking out, and Athlon as has been mentioned.
I prefer a 4.5-14 or 4-16 as an all purpose scope, I just like having a tad more magnification available.
Primary Arms also has a couple scopes below that $200 threshold that might be worth checking out, and Athlon as has been mentioned.
I prefer a 4.5-14 or 4-16 as an all purpose scope, I just like having a tad more magnification available.
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Too bad you b ought chinese junk, SWFA makes the best scope for under $500. They are $300 with rings and sun shade, and a mildot master your about $400.
They were a military contract scope that SWFA made for the Navy Seals.
I have Vortex, dont likem.
http://swfa-ss.com/
They were a military contract scope that SWFA made for the Navy Seals.
I have Vortex, dont likem.
http://swfa-ss.com/
BigBL87
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Well, seeing as the budget was $200...
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I just bought one. You guys sure are enablers.
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