Sell SIG P220 for Ruger P97?

[Jason_G]

I personally tend to find direct blow backs in .380 or 9x18 Mak to be more problematic with recoil than heavier caliber pistols using some variant of the Browning action (or the Beretta 92's Walther P38 derived system, etc.). I'm not sure if "stronger" recoil is the right way to put it, but snappier and more of a handful to control than they'd appear to be simply looking at the relative bullet weights and foot-pounds of energy the different rounds are pushing.

I guess I'm the voice of dissension . I've always thought the Mak's to be sharper than 9x19's I've shot, but nowhere near the recoil of alot of .40 S&W's or .45 ACP's. I've always thought they felt like fairly soft shooters to me (at least in comparison to the larger calibers). I guess I'm one of those folks that just aren't that recoil sensitive or something? I dunno. I just never got much "kick" out of a Makarov, and they always seemed easy to control to me.

Jason

 

[gudel]

if you're buying a sig in the first place, you can't be that poor that you can't afford a ruger!

 

[wnycollector]

You are correct gudel, I could afford a ruger also...but my wife and I have come to an agreement! Once I bought the 3rd gun safe (NOT including the 4th dedicated to ammo only!!!)...I try to do a 1:1 swap!

 

[wnycollector]

Again thanks for all the input! I think I have come up with a plan.
1) Shoot the SIG more and try to master it! If that dosen't work,
2) Send it to SIG for the SPP PLUS have them check out the accuracy issue, and
3) Sell the SIG, buy the ruger!

 

[SniperStraz]

Go with the gun that suits you best. If that's the Ruger then go sell the Sig buy the Ruger and then buy a whole bunch of ammo to practice with.

 

[recole]

Sell Sig P220 for Ruger P97

wnycollector, I have the solution!

Keep both guns. Sell the wife

Ron

 

[mfetty77]

Got to agree with most of the others on this one. I hate Ruger semi-autos. Every Sig I've shoot has been very accurate.

 

[crebralfix]

Buy 2,000 rounds of 45 ACP and slow fire all of them through it. Make sure at least half are shot using the double action only. Dry fire frequently. Also try The Bump Drill. Make sure you can work that heavy double action trigger without disturbing the sights. You may want to contact Bruce Gray to see about a short reset and a trigger job.

I find that using the two thumb forward technique works well. I tighten the support hand slightly a bit more than the primary hand. Also, make sure your finger does NOT touch the frame when pulling the trigger.

 

[mstirton]

I couldn't shoot my police trade-in 220 either when I first got it. Everything was tight and it looked great except for a bit of surface wear. First thing I realized was that the front sight was loose and probably moving between shots. The old SIG plastic grips weren't doing it for me so I got the Hogue finger groove like all of my other SIGs. New sights and wa-la, shoot it almost just as well as the 220ST which puts it right up at the top of my handguns.

I wouldn't spend $200 though. If you can't shoot it with a little more practice (and 500 rounds should be enough to tell you), get the gun you shoot better.

 

[gandog56]

Would I buy a Ruger P97 straight out? Possibly, for the price it's a darned fine gun. But trade in a Sig for one? Not on your life! I traded a Ruger KP944DC 40 S&W and a Ruger P85 9mm in for a Sig P229 with both the 40 S&W and 357 Sig barrels. Never was disappointed with the trade, as I still Had a Ruger KP89DC to cover my 9mm needs. The KP944DC was a great shooter, but the long sloppy trigger pull kept giving me flyers. The P85 was never an accurate gun. My Sig is one of my most accurate semi-autos I own, with EITHER barrel. I'm with the send a letter or call Sig, and see what they suggest.

 

[wnycollector]

crebralfix Thanks for the GREAT links!

 

[Noxx]

I would never sell a Sig for a Ruger, BUT, I love my sigs.

A lot of the suggestions here, while sound suggestions, are colored by that same brand bias.

If you're comfortable with the Ruger, and shoot the Ruger well..... then you should probably get the Ruger. That may earn some head shaking and eyerolling both around here and at the range, 'cuz many of us are Sig-nuts, but hey, it's your gun, not our gun.

 

[Noxx]

Thansk CF! I'm heading up to the range in a couple of hours today, going to try that bump drill you linked.

 

[MCgunner]

IMHO the Sig P220 is twice the gun of a Ruger P97.

Twice the price, maybe, that's about it. Sounds like the P97 is close to the P90 in accuracy, which is to say target grade. And, the trigger on my P90 is awesome right out of the box, too, MUCH better than the P85 and P95 I've owned, own. I'd not trade it for three Sigs, personally. I shoot it too well, one of my favorites.

 

[zeroskillz]

As a Sig dealer I'm a bit biased...
What I would do, if it's available to you, is rent a 220 at a local range and shoot the two side by side. that might give you a better idea as to if it's the gun or you. If it's the gun, give Sig a call, or Bruce at grayguns. (www.grayguns.com) He does fantastic work on Sigs. If it's you, maybe the 220 isn't a good fit. and youd be better served by the Ruger. Only you can really judge that though.

 

[evan price]

I will say my 1996 W. German P220 at 20 feet away puts all 7 shots in a circle no bigger than my thumb and forefinger making an "OK" symbol. (Ruler says my fingers make a 1.25" to 1.50" circle). I have never seen a Sig that was "inaccurate" unless you are needing the sights adjusted, or else need to swap out sight heighths (Sig marks the sights with a number indicating the height, you can get higher or lower sights to adjust POI). Also, swapping out the kinda cheesy feeling stock plastic grips to some good rubber Hogue grips goes a long way to making it fit the hand better.

However all that is moot- if you just like Ruers better get what you like. Don't waste your time trying to force yourself to like something just because other people say it's great. Guns are just like clothing off the rack- some people fit great, some people don't, find the pattern/style that fits you best.

 

[wnycollector]

Here is a quick update on my sig saga!

Popped off the grips to give the internals a few squirts of birchwood casey gunscrubber and found out that a previous owner had improperly fitted the trigger return spring into the stress relief hole! Popped the spring into the correct notch and cleaned up ALL the gunk...BINGO now groups are MUCH smaller. Not great but much improved! I think I will be sending the pistol to SIG for their SSP (and maybe a short reset trigger!!!) just to make sure noting else is amiss! Again thanks for ALL of the input!