Setting the record straight Australian Gun Laws

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Appsy

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Ok iv been looking around this forum for a few days now and have come to realize these is a lot of wrong information on the gun laws here in Australia and most of it seems to come from 15 year old kids so i decided to try and set the record straight

NOTE I AM TRYING TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE TO GET ALL THIS RIGHT HOWEVER ITS LATE AND IN NOT AN EXPERT JUST A LICENSED SHOOTER PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME

Ok Australia has 6 states and 2 territories that makes for 8 sets of gun laws as there is no national system i currently live in Queensland so i will cover them the most

Rifles

Category A =
1. a miniature cannon under 120 cm in barrel length that is a Black powder and muzzle loading cannon
2. an air rifle;
3. a blank-fire firearm at least 75 cm in length;
4. a rimfire rifle (other than a self-loading rimfire rifle);
5. a single or double barrel shotgun;
6. a powerhead.

Category B =
1. a muzzle-loading firearm;
2. a single shot centre fire rifle;
3. a double barrel centre fire rifle;
4. a repeating centre fire rifle; (not semi auto)
5. a break action shotgun and rifle combination.

Category C =
1. a semiautomatic rimfire rifle with a magazine capacity no greater than 10 rounds;
2. a semiautomatic shotgun with a magazine capacity no greater than 5 rounds;
3. a pump action shotgun with a magazine capacity no greater than 5 rounds.

Category D =
1. a self-loading centre fire rifle designed or adapted for military puroses or a firearm that substantially duplicates a rifle of that type in design, function or appearance;
2. a non-military style self-loading centre fire rifle with either an integra or detachable magazine;
3. a self-loading shotgun with either an integral or detachable magazine with a capacity of more than 5 rounds and a pump action shotgun with a capacity ofmore than 5 rounds.
4. a self-loading rimfire rifle with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds.

So thats basically it for rifles

Pistols


Category H =
(1) A firearm, including an air pistol and a blank-fire firearm, under 75 cm in length, other than a powerhead, is a category H weapon, regardless of whether it has been rendered permanently inoperable.

That just about covers handguns


Licensing

most people have a Cat A & B license as its the easy one to obtain to get a cat A&B license in QLD you must

Complete an approved safety course theory and practical (takes about 8 hours)

Have a genuine reason to want one (join a club, have letters from land owners saying you are aloud to shoot on there land or for work purposes )

Then fill in and post your license application with your certificate from your course, your reason and passport photos this then takes a minimum 28 days to be assessed and approved or denied

they can chose to not give you a license for violent crimes, brake and enter that sort of stuff

ok so lets say you have done all this and have your Cat A&B license by now its taken around 2 months to get all your bits of paper and get it approved

Lets go get us a gun

you go to the gun shop find yourself a nice lever action 30-30 marlin (a cat B weapon) you pay your cash get your receipt with all the details on it this is as close as you will get to your new rifle for the next 28 days

now you go to the police station and get a PTA (Permit to acquire) fill it out and send it away wait a minimum 28 days for a letter saying you can have it NOW you can go get your new rifle and away you go

so this has taken about 3 months now

now if you where smart you picked a few rifles all at once and sent away all your PTA's if not you got another wait

PISTOLS

ok so you decide you want that sexy Glock pistol in the counter this is how you get it

first get a piece of paper from the police saying you can join a club takes a few weeks

now you go join a club

over the next 6 months you must complete a set amount of shoots (you hire a gun)

within this six months you must complete a safety course (your second one if you have your A&B license)

then after that you go through the application process again

then you put in you PTA

so from when you thought you wanted that pistol till the time you took it home was around 8 months

if you want a cat C or D license

these licenses are even harder to get and are very tightly regulated usually its people like pro pest cullers that get these

all the gun laws across Australia are very similar they have a few changes here and there but much the same

in all cases guns must be stored and carried unloaded action open and with the ammo kept separately and locked away the laws for how they must be locked away start with a locked timber box bolted down and go up to 9mm plate steel boxes bolted down

Dave
 
I didn't realize it was quite that bad down there. That's a wake-up call for what could happen here.
 
Thank you sir for the post.
I have always heard allot about your laws I am glad to see facts presented.
Makes me appreciate our laws or at least those in the free states.
 
Gustav No worries

just remembered i have an example

a friend of mine went out of town for a comp shoot at the end of the night he LOCKED his 2 bolt action rifles up bolts and ammo separate in his caravan and went out to dinner

now this guy was and still is the president of a local gun club for 10 years no problems at all

comes back to find his rifles gone stolen brake and enter he automatically lost his license for 5 years he managed to get it back through court but it took him 18 months to do it
 
There are other streams of firearms licensing also.
eg. security - which is about the only way for civilians to get carry permits (in theory anyone can apply but realistically it is only granted for security)

It's difficult to be an object lesson in what can happen without constitutional protection and political organization. On the other hand, I think the new laws have had an unintended consequence of making us all better shots - enforced practice ;)
 
Yep, with rather minor changes that could be the Canadian system as it presently "works", as well.

This attitude is one of the hand-me-down social factors still existing in once-British colonies, and they STILL haven't figured out that all this restriction DOESN'T WORK in reducing crime. The Brits are now feverishly banning knives, machetes and SWORDS! The Canadians placed "pistol crossbows" on the Restricted list (or, is it now the Prohibited list?) because of ONE SINGLE CRIME committed with such a devilish, fearsome and destructive instrument. Pistol crossbows! Dark Ages technology, obviously far too dangerous for the peons of the peaceful 21st century.

They're trying hard to make it SO DIFFICULT to comply with all the BS red tape, that no one will even try, and thus give up legal ownership of firearms. I lived through fifty years of increasing crap in Canada, until I finally said "Enough!" and moved my family to the US of A back in '97. What a difference!

Right now, today, I can leave my home, drive downtown, buy a legal handgun and be back home with the gun in less than an hour....including thirty minutes' driving time. I can load the gun immediately and carry it home in that condition, if I so desire. I can carry it concealed, after having it entered on my carry permit. I can shoot it in any safe location. I can also go to a friend's home, loan him one of my guns, or buy/borrow one of his, and NO GOVERNMENT LACKEY has any say whatever in the matter, nor is any notice to anyone required.

After all those years in Canada, I can tell all you fellow shooters in the US, "THIS IS THE PROMISED LAND!", at least as far as shooting and gun ownership is concerned. I am profoundly grateful for the conditions under which I now own and use my firearms. Coming to Nevada was like breathing fresh air for the first time in decades.
 
I wonder if you loose your firearms license if you use a firearm for self defense in Australia?

I did not know it was so difficult to purchase a sporting firearm. Like was said, they make it so difficult that only the most dedicated firearm owner or would be owner will most likely go through the whole process.
 
If I understand correctly, it takes several months to get the licenses and permits to acquire a firearm legally, even an antique. But it takes only a few minutes to acquire one by the SAG system (smash and grab) or KAC (kill a cop) method. A favorite technique in NYC for a while was to have a woman scream for help from a building as a police officer was passing. When the noble cop went to help, he caught a lead pipe across the face. When/if he woke up, his gun, ammo, badge, Mace, even his uniform, had vanished.

Yes, bad guys will kill police and military, even blow up armories and raid police stations to obtain guns. Meantime, the honest citizen becomes more and more a helpless victim of both the crooks and the cops, since the latter would much rather harass citizens than confront crooks, it being safer.

Jim
 
The weather is very similar to Oz, and our gun laws are a LOT better! We have no licencing, no permit to carry open, Shall-Issue CCW permit good for 5 years, (no class or fingerprinting required to renew), no assault weapon ban, no magazine limit ban, no ammunition type ban, no purchase frequency limit, (one-gun-a-month), no waiting period, no restrictions at all for purchase of air rifles/pistols. Black powder firearms can be purchased over the counter, (but still fall under state Prohibited Possessor laws). We have voluntary firearms classes in public schools. We also have mandatorysafe storage laws for government buildings, i.e., I want to take my sidearm to jury duty, the court house has to offer safe storage while I am in court. We also have no civil liabilty for justified conduct - I use my sidearm to defend myself, and after the court/DA says I was justified, the bad guys family cannot sue me.
Here is a good one - our CCWpermit is not weapon specific - carry a rifle, two pistols, Bowie knife and tomohawk under your car coat, it's legal.
AZ DOC hires on a green card, $38K+ a year to start, and we have lots of room.
So, when do ya wanna come over?:cool: We'd love to have you.
 
In the last 3 months I have purchased the following:
1853 2 Band Enfield (repop)
8mm Turkish Mauser
#4MKII Enfield
9mm Hi-Point carbine

In ALL cases it took LESS than 10 minutes to complete the transaction.

And your trying to tell me that YOUR system is better?

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas


PS: I also am permited by the great STATE of TEXAS to carry a concealed handgun both in my vehicle and on my person.
 
Flying in to Melbourne recently, the display screens were showing restricted/prohibited items before entering customs. They included "flick knives" (switchblade type knives), tasers, throwing stars, and electric flyswatters! FLYSWATTERS!!?!?!
sheesh!
Cheers.
RB
 
PS: I also am permited by the great STATE of TEXAS to carry a concealed handgun both in my vehicle and on my person.

In Kansas, outside the larger cities you can OPEN carry if you wish. Then again, Texas passed concealed carry before we did. In fact our law is based on your law, warts and all.
 
While the gun laws is similar in all states/territories, the prices you pay along the way might be worth a mention. An good example is that a 5 year firearm licence in NSW costs $200 while the ACT version costs only $75 for five years. How much does it cost in Qld?

Also, OneShooter, you quoted that
In ALL cases it took LESS than 10 minutes to complete the transaction
. It is possible to do it here in Australia, but thats only if you have criminial connections.
 
So now I'm curious. With such a restricted "market base," how do gun shops, etc. keep their doors open?

What is your source of firearms --if you jump through all the hoops to be "approved" to purchase a firearm? Special order through local Police Departments? What?

(ASIDE: Dang. Now I gotta go out and buy a crossbow. What size PVC pipe is recommended? :) No response necessary, really --just a wisecrack.)
 
Also, OneShooter, you quoted that

Quote:
"In ALL cases it took LESS than 10 minutes to complete the transaction"

It is possible to do it here in Australia, but thats only if you have criminial connections.

Here in Minnesota, in the USA, you can complete a transaction in about one minute. There is no restriction on selling a firearm from one private party to another. We call this "Freedom". The same way I can sell a swimming pool, 5-gallon bucket, automobile or services as a medical doctor to another private party....All of those things kill more people than guns.

You ARE, however, responsible if you sold a gun to a homicidal idiot.
 
The source of firearms is still from gunshops, all the paperwork from police is required for you to get the gun from the gun shop, the gun shop needs to see your firearms licence and permit(s) to acquire. The process of getting the above two documents from police requires you to cut through the unneccessary and useless obstacles (police checks, genuine reason, 28 day waiting periods). If the gun shop just sells and give you the gun if you don't have the two documents, then the gun shop owner gets jailed for criminal offences. Also, like shooters, gun dealers also have a very stringent set of laws to abide by.
 
Readyontheright, you are absolutely correct in saying that no restrictions on selling a firearm from one private party to another is a Freedom. However, this Freedom is absent in Australia. Like I said before, the irony is, us law abiding shooters have to fight through obstacles to get our guns but criminals can bypass this. This shows that the 1996 National Firearms Agreement which set out the guidelines that Appsy correctly mentioned is useless and must overturned immediately.
 
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