Setting the record straight Australian Gun Laws

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Write your local newspapers. Make your voice heard. Over and over and over again. Become a pest.

The thing is, the SSAA (Australia's largest shooting association) does not have enough numbers to have a loud enough voice (It currently has 100000 members, Australia's population is 20,000,000). I can understand that the SSAA biding its time and is trying to encourage more people to join up and take up the sport of shooting. This ongoing campaign is very successful. If the current growth of firearms owners and SSAA members is consistent through the next decade or so, then we will not only have a loud enough voice, we will also have a large enough vote which is more important.
 
Australian Shooter, I and my fellow American shooters are certainly with you.

But I have to say, 100,000 letters has to have an impact.....even to a proud Nation of twenty million souls.

In fact, one letter might have an impact.

Pick up a pen.

Write.

And write again.

Become a pest.
 
i started this thread because there was alot of 12-16 year olds saying things like "australia sucks you cant even own a BB gun here" and so on not to mention the misinformation given buy the ANTI'S
This will happen soon in the UK,too and the first stage of this will happen on October 1st,on Monday.

Ignorance is blissful in both countries and the fear of another rampaging psychopath,is enough to ban guns.
 
I'm moving to Aus early next year to be with my special other. Up until now this thought has brought nothing but a smile to my face.

After reading this thread I'm deeply concerned about what I thought would be new home :( .
 
I would like to say to the comments about emmigrate here,

I would love too, however, we brits are not eligible for the green card lotto, and unless we can find a company to sponsor us for employment, no way jose!
even after 15 years in the Army, several tours working alongside the American Army in the' war on terror' I would struggle to get a green card.

On the plus side, serving in Germany means I can have the benefit of German firearms ownership (sports only, not self defense)
 
I personally think they should leave gun laws mostly alone in my state and in the country at large. I feel we have reached something of a balance. Personally, I think this gun classification stuff is mostly bull****, but perhaps it would be a way to deal with the assault rifle problem. And by "problem", I mean that the Assault Weapon Ban is likely to be coming back soon. Since I don't think this is fair to existing owners and enthusiasts, Perhaps there should be a law like a classification of Class B weapons. Weapons that are an adapted military weapon of semiautomatic fire design after WWII, or a weapon which the user intends to use a clip larger than 20 rounds with. Then, we should require everyone that wants a license for a Class B gun to attend a special training class including a shooting portion (maybe 5 days at 2 hours a day), register themselves with the police department as a certified assault weapon owner, and then buy whatever they want. One week. That would be so much more reasonable than just banning assault rifles.
 
Thanks for resurrecting this one, Appsy, it was a good read.

Then, we should require everyone that wants a license for a Class B gun to attend a special training class including a shooting portion (maybe 5 days at 2 hours a day), register themselves with the police department as a certified assault weapon owner, and then buy whatever they want. One week. That would be so much more reasonable than just banning assault rifles.

Isn't that kind of like comparing the actions of the German and American governments during World War II? Sure, we were much more reasonable than the Nazis because we only only put the Japanese in camps and didn't kill them, but that doesn't mean the internments were justified or could be considered reasonable if they are not judged relative to something else.

I would love too, however, we brits are not eligible for the green card lotto, and unless we can find a company to sponsor us for employment, no way jose!

I was about to say that I know plenty of British green card holders and ex-British citizens.... but now that I think about it, they're all people I met working at Rolls-Royce.
 
Add to some of the rules: In Victoria its about $225 to get the license/or if you have a Farm 60+ acres of some sort you can claim a free license as a Primary producer.
 
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Thanks to all who have read this and those that have added to it.

The biggest cause of gun laws like this i believe is

lack of education of firearms and the public perception

Example I am a member of a 4X4 web site and on that site someone started a "put a face to the name" thread all was good and well then one person posted pic’s of a shooting trip on it. No problem no one thought twice about a nice father and son on a shooting trip and all was ok the problem came in one of the next few posts . A man dressed all in black, ski mask on top of his head (not covering his face) crouched down in the corner of his shed sporting a black tacticooool rifle. Now i understand this guy is what i like to call an "idiot" he will probably never do any harm he goes to the range and plays out his marky mark sniper fantasy goes home and tells all the boys about the 1" group at 1000 yards he shot. However the un-firearm-educated public see this and perceive it as a crazed gunman who will kill the first person that looks at him. That thread sat idle for a few days as no one wanted their name in the "crazy gunman forum" and then it was removed.

Now this guy didn’t mean harm but he just scared the hell out of a bunch of people who most likely didn’t have an opinion about firearm ownership. However they do now.

It gets worse with politicians an Australian senator claims there is three hundred thousand (300 000) legally owned “hand-machine-guns” in Australian glove boxes. The official report from the Australian institute of criminology claims there is only about 170,000 registered handguns in Australia and that number includes Air pistols, Single shot, Black powder, and some Antique hand guns. Not the 300 000 “hand-machine-guns” as claimed buy the senator. But no one reads the report that’s boring everyone starts worrying about the “300 000 hand-machine-guns in Australian glove boxes” now that’s exciting it’s something else to stress about next time some guy in a 4x4 ute with a “I shoot and vote” bumper sticker cuts you off (because he would have one for sure)

What do I think is the best way to safe guard our sport, past time and fun. Talk to people teach them YOUR not a “crazed gunman” tell them about the fun you have meeting your mates at the range the skill required to shoot accurately the joy of teaching someone something that someone took the time to teach you and most of all join a club u are one voice in a million go out there and join the biggest politically connected club you can find because the more support they have the more they can stand up for you .
 
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A few questions for the Austrailians;
Does the English Declaration of Rights of 12 February 1689 have any legal weight in Austrailia?

The first draft of the English Declaration of rights included these words; "It is neccessary for the publick Saftey, that the subjects which are Protestants, should provide and keep arms for their common Defence. And that the Arms which have been siezed, and taken away from them, be restored."
The final draft text:
"That the subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their defence suitable to their Conditions, and as allowed by Law." It was signed into law by William & Mary the next day and is referred to well into the 19th century England.
The individual right to Arms is ancient. English history alone goes back a 1000 years citing the right. So it is almost impossible to do it justice here. My reference mostly is the book Second Amendment Primer by by Les Adams.

Here in the United States we have the Bill of Rights as part of our Constitution. The 2nd Amendment of it:
" A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. "
Our Founding Fathers were reluctant to list human rights, believing they were God given and self evident, and that by writing it down they could not do it justice. There was debate but thankfully they wrote it down and today we bank on it. We also have Supreme Court Rulings and other lower courts case laws, plus some other state constitutuions to back up and compliment the U.S. Constitution & Bill of Rights.

I know Austrailia was settled with penal colony for awhile, which might add confusion. In the forming of Australia who were the founders names? That would be interesting to look up what they wrote about the right to keep and bear arms.
It would be interesting if you could post the Autrailian Constition here please?
 
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This was a good read. Thanks for bringing it back, Appsy. It's especially chilling now that we've gone through our elections. It's a good reminder that we must never become complacent.

We have a lot in common with our Australian, Canadian and British friends, and the same forces are at work in every country. Every gun death is a tragedy that affects us all, and no one is immune.

I hope that we all get to a point where sanity and logic governs, rather than knee-jerk reactions to disasters involving mentally ill people whose needs and issues have not been addressed. Let's keep learning from each other and maybe someday you can come help us reduce our whitetail deer population and we can help you with your bantengs (not sure what those are, will have to do a little research).
 
Harve Curry

Does the English Declaration of Rights of 12 February 1689 have any legal weight in Austrailia?

i believe so however if you read the wording

Freedom for Protestants to bear arms for their own defence, as suitable to their class and as allowed by law

now im not educated in legal terms and workings of the court how ever my understanding of that would be that currently the law forbids the use of arms in self defense for most ordinary people

i know self defense in not a recognized reason to want a firearm when applying for a license.
 
In England and in Europe the Right to keep and Bear Arms was recognized both as a collective and individual right. Australain's have the same history that way as the United States does. We can fall back on this history of laws and precedents.In England the RightKBA's goes back to 500 A.D.
Writings and people in our favor to research would be:
Laws of Alfred 871-899 AD.
Saxon Law, Historian Francis Grose
The Statute of Winchester, 1285
Henry the VIII
Sir Thomas Moore
Michael Dalton
Sir Edward Cooke
Sir Walter Raleigh
Thomas Hobbes
James Harrington
John Locke
John Trenchard and Walter Moyle
Algernon Sydney
Robert Molsworth
Andrew Fletcher
Sir William Blackstone *
Jean L. DeLolme
James Burgh
Adam Smith
William Pitt
Granville Sharpe
William Blizard
Sir William Hawkins
Thomas Babington Macauley
James Patterson

Some of these people writings have been and are still referenced by our Supreme Court.

It puts things in context that have been twisted in recent times.

You really need this book, much of the work-research is done for you.
The Second Amendment Primer by Les Adams , Palladium Press Biringham Alabama USA.
 
Thanks Harve if i ever need any research ill grab the book all im worried about these days is letting people know what the general outline off the law is

like it said at the start im sick of 12 - 15 year old kids getting on forums like this and saying "Australia sucks they banned BB guns and everything over here"
 
I too would like to thank you for posting this Appsy. Hopefully if will make us Americans more vigilant about actively trying to keep our rights. Especially with our own recent election and an anti administration incoming.
I am concerned about what may be happening over here in the not so distant future. Just more reason to support the NRA or GOA or SAF or whatever other member of the gun lobby an individual favors-Or all of the above for that matter. I hope ya'all can do something about getting some of your rights restored.
 
no problems boys and girls

i don't think we will ever see the day that we get them back (although id love to be wrong) these days is more about not letting them go any further and like i said the best way to do that is educate people and join clubs
 
Yeah it'd be good if we could get some decent gun laws in Australia, but you gotta make do with what you got!
 
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