Shipping a long gun?

[lonewolf5347]

I like to ask is it o.k. to sell a long gun out of state to a ffl dealer and let him make disposition to the new owner or do I need to go FFl to FFL.
I will supply a copy of my driver lic: along with the firearm to the FFL dealer.I called the ATF and got a lot of different comment some say it o.k. to do so others say the best way if FFL to FFL
I wonder if UPS will except a long gun from a private party to ship?

 

[bikerdoc]

the best way if FFL to FFL

I agree. only way I ship a gun.

 

[Lee Roder]

If the out of state FFL will accept your rifle shipped directly from you, MAIL IT via USPS which will be cheaper than UPS. If not, give your business to another FFL.

 

[nalioth]

Why don't you call the receiving FFL and ask them how they want it handled?

Assuming may just cost you extra money.

 

[mbogo]

It is not a Federal requirement that you ship long guns through an FFL on your end.

Some FFL dealers, however, refuse to accept a gun from a private seller.

Clear it up before you ship.

mbogo

 

[lonewolf5347]

I called the ATF and got 4 different views man they can't seem to know what it the correct way to ship;easy out was FFL to FFL
I did get one girl and she said I can ship it with my I.D. to the FFL to make the transfer with out any law being broke,the only draw back if it get lost and yes some dealer will state FFl to FFL only but on long rifles it can go that way.I spoke with the buyer to night seem he is from Texas and did state his dealer will except from a private party as long it come with some I.D.

 

[nalioth]

Again, do not ask the ATF - they make stuff up as they go along (shoe string is a machine gun, right?).

It is not legally required to include your ID in a gun shipment (see? they make stuff up).

Please contact the receiving dealer and have a nice chat with them. It'll save you a lot of frustration (and maybe lots of money).

 

[lonewolf5347]

I will call the dealer as soon as I get the lic: FFL and ask him how to go about it
thanks

 

[natman]

It is perfectly legal for you to ship directly to the out of state FFL.

Some FFLs will not accept a shipment from an individual for reasons of their own, so check in advance.

It is not required for the receiving FFL to get a copy of your ID, but it is perfectly reasonable for him to do so IMO. He has to put the seller's name and address in his log so he's entitled to know who you are.

 

[nalioth]

He has to put the seller's name and address in his log so he's entitled to know who you are.

Most of us can tell who sent us something from the info on the return address.

That is all the ATF requires - they do not require a DL number or birth date or any other personal info that a DL/ID copy provides.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I did get one girl and she said I can ship it with my I.D. to the FFL to make the transfer with out any law being broke,the only draw back if it get lost

And exactly what difference does it make if it gets lost?

1. You take a long gun into the post office and mail it to the receiving FFL, priority mail, insured, delivery confirmation. And the post office loses it.

2. You take your long gun to an FFL, they take the long gun into the post office and mail it to the receiving FFL, priority mail, insured, delivery confirmation. And the post office loses it.

I fail to see the difference.

 

[lonewolf5347]

NavyLT:can I ship it at the USPS priority mail ,insured ,registered delivery confirmation?
I hate to have look saying it a long rifle will there be any problems?

 

[NavyLCDR]

NavyLT:can I ship it at the USPS priority mail ,insured ,registered delivery confirmation?

I hate to have look saying it a long rifle will there be any problems?

Yes and Yes.

The answer to your first question is yes you can.

The answer to your second is yes - finding a box long enough for the gun! Otherwise the answer to the second question is no.

http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1198527

12.3 Rifles and Shotguns
Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 12.1.1e and 12.1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not precluded by 12.1.1e.

12.1.1 Definitions
The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:
e. Short-barreled shotgun means a shotgun that has one or more barrels less than 18 inches long. The term short-barreled rifle means a rifle that has one or more barrels less than 16 inches long. These definitions include any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. A short-barreled shotgun or rifle of greater dimension may be regarded as nonmailable when it has characteristics to allow concealment on the person.

12.1.2 Handguns
Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (referred to as handguns) are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 12.1.3 and 12.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 12.1.4 and 12.1.6.

It is only prohibited by the Domestic Mail Manual if the gun is a pistol, revolver, or short barreled rifle or shotgun.