Shortage of 7.62x39 big time!

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Kurush: According to the news media, in recent articles both Iran and Venezuela are buying large quantities of Ak47s and ammunition for same. I am merely quoting the news media.
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Iran uses a licensed version of the G3 (G3A6) for almost all troops. The only troops that use AK47 are some of the reserves and they have more than enough to have to buy anymore, especially since all their small arms are made domestically.

Venezuela did make an order for a 100000 ak47s. However the majority of the military still uses the Fn Fal and and FN Fncs. The ak47s are to be used by militia groups and irregular units in case of invasion by US forces.
 
At the Durham show, the ammo dealer had a large quantity of Wolf for $179 a case. He had Yugo on clips for $85/500, and another brand of Russian ammo that had just appeared on the market for the same price as wolf. Many other vendors had Wolf for $20/100.
 
All of the 7.62 was backordered except the Wolf 154 Gr. SP @ cabelas.com, just ordered 1000 rounds. Below is the snippet from my confirmation email.
1 of 21-5187 Wolf 7.62 X 39 154 Gr. Soft Point Ammo w/Dry Box 7.62X39 SP/1000-BOX @ $144.99 each
In stock-Approx delivery Thu 6/15
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It might have been mentioned in another post as I just stumbled across this thread but don't forget that the price of metals is going to have a ripple effect on things like bullets if it stays high.
 
The big brown truck just dropped off 10k rounds of 7.62x39. Now I don't have to worry about running out for at least another 2 months.

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Zrex said:
The big brown truck just dropped off 10k rounds of 7.62x39. Now I don't have to worry about running out for at least another 2 months.
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OT, My wife and I were just joking about ordering a pallet of 7.62...does anyone know if there is some sort of government reporting limit on ammo, like the 10K for banks and coin/bullion dealers?
 
I just picked up 1000 rounds of wolf 122gr hp for $169.99 from my local shop today , he said he got 5000 rounds in the other day. i was going to get more but figured 1000 will last me a long time.
 
It perrty much is gone , last gun show i was at most was around $6 a box of 20 bulk was the same , this is $3.40 a box so it's not too bad , i got 5 boxes left from gander mnt' i got early this yr for $2.25 a box wish i would got more
 
it's not too late to stock up on bullets, powder, primers and learn to reload
 
taliv said:
it's not too late to stock up on bullets, powder, primers and learn to reload
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How long would you say it takes you to reload 500 7.62 rounds (or whatever your caliber of choice is).
 
i don't shoot 7.62. but it takes me about an hour and 20 min to reload 1000 rnds of 5.56. if i were giong to take a whole day and just crank through 10,000 rnds, i'd prob be a little more efficient. prob 10 hrs.
 
i read on the net somewhere that the us gov. is selling the iraqi gov like 400 million rnds. 7.62 and .223/5.56 also like 170 thousand genades a whole pakage worth like 502 million
 
Well the thread was awakened 7 Jun by borntxn actually.

Friday I bought a 100 rounds Wolf for $21 about what I
paid same time last year.

What is the solid story on 7.62x39 availibility in the near
and far future?
 
Back when I started this thread over a year ago, it was during the midst of the dark days of the shortage.

Not so anymore, 7.62x39 is plentiful, even if it is still x2 as expensive as it used to be several years back.
 
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I have both an AK-47 and a type56 chinease rifle,both shoot 762x39 ammo,years ago we ran into this same problem ,we had a big ammo shortage as the gun store and shops claimed it was all being used up at the war ,but if you were willing to pay there $299.00 price for 223 ammo they had all you wanted ,also if you wanted to pay there $279.00 a case of a 1000 for 762 ammo you could get all you wanted ,well I have a cure for that crap I have been buying all reloadable ammo for awhile ,winchester brass and remington brass reload really well with a turret loader,Dont use the 762X39 bullets ,all you have to use in the 308 bullet which is almost the exact same ,if i remember right its a very,very tiny bit smaller ,so we always made sure we crimped the bullet ,they shoot very well ,never any problems at all and its much cheaper than paying the rip off prices now,I generally get at least 3 reloads out of my brass trim the brass back down to size and remove the primers,clean the primer pocker and it is critical to make sure you get the proper amount of a powder load in each shell,on a turret reloader you can get going so fast if you do not keep an eye on this you could get a short load and a bullet stuck in your barrel ,so monitor all reloading very carefully,esp the powder,bullets also have to be seated at the right hieght which is easy i keep a dummy round around to measure every few rounds to keep my accuracy up,the 308 bullets work great and never jam ,and always clean the brass in a viberator with a corn cob material ,and your brass comes out like new.and cycles thru your gun well .308 bullets are very cheap bulk so buy them reload them and have a ball shooting cheap better quality ammo ,also its better to accidentily put a little to much powder in than not enough ,to much gives you a hot load and kicks that crimped in bullet out fast and loud ,everyone will know you have hot loads,to little powder load can be a disaster ,the bullet sits in the case as the powder burns and builds pressure up in the case untill it either kicks it out into your barrel where it gets stuck ,which can result in you blowing up your gun when the next round comes along ,or if your lucky it will just spit it out the end of your gun and it will drop on the ground,this is a common pratice when 762X39 ammo comes short and eventually the price drops back down after everyone starts to do it,if you have any questions on how to do it ill be more than happy to help if i can ,I have been a gun collector fo 30 plus years ,and I started my markmenship in the boyscouts and now have quite a collection of firearms all makes and models mostly military and other assorted ww2 gear,as it catchs on 308 ammo bullets will dry up,have a great day smal
 
It might be a good idea to keep this thread open with
postings of actual prices per quantity, and shortage
rumors when they fly, if only for historical purposes.
 
It's actually the 8mm Mauser surplus that has disappeared. That's my real problem. I hope the laws of supply and demand will motivate someone in Eastern Europe to look a little harder for some overlooked cases.
 
Krankykraut, there are millions of cases no looking required sitting in Bosnia, the problem is the BATF here isn't approving the form 6s to import surplus ammo....... Imorters have had already approved form 6s canceled with huge loses of $$ so nobody is taking the chance and most of the Nato member countries have now placed laws in effect prohibiting the export of any military surplus ammo from theire countries to anything but legitimate government Armies as part of the UNs crack down on the huge stockpiles of surplus ammo being used by "terrorist" etc.... if ya didn't already stock up then your pretty much either at the mercy of commercial ammo makers or ya needa get heavy into reloading, I was in Bosnia repping for a large importer last year when 120 million rnds of 8 mm got bought by the UN to be destroyed and that was only a fraction of what was available there are "caves" the size of aircraft hangers full of the stuff as well as 7.62x39 etc... as soon as I got home I bought the last 3 pallets of 50s Yugo Century had or ever will get.... By the time it gets low I will have gotten that caliber up to full speed for loading right now am accumulating brass for 7.62x39

For those who think the war in Aphgan and Iraq are the reasons for ammo prices heres something to consider, the Chinese have billions of rnds of surplus ammo sitting in warehouses and caves as do ALL of the former Warsaw pact countries it cannot be imported into the USA because it is steel core however there is nothing preventing any of it from being used in other countries such as Iraq and Afgan etc... and it does get used as its sold on the world surplus market millions of rounds per day so why would Wolf etc... be the only ammo supplier being used? The prices are being jacked up simply because Americans have shown they are willing to pay the higher prices...... but they can't exactly tell ya that that might trigger Americans into refusing to pay the higher prices so instead ya are told the prices are the result of raw material costs or supplying Iraq and Afgan etc..... in the meanwhile billions of rnds of Surplus from all these other countries are being sold and traded etc.....

15 years running around the world visiting arsenals and looking at ammo stockpiles right up to last year has pretty much shown me how lil we can trust what the commercial ammo manufacturers want to tell us...... but it doesn't change the availability here at home and now with the BATF not approving form 6s (our governments way of appeasing the UN without "pissin off" the voters by openly going along with the UNs demands, as it requires no vote no lobbying etc... the BATF has sole descretion when it comes to approving a form 6 for import of ammo or gun parts etc... and without the form 6 it can't be imported no appeal either as they don't have to give any reason for denying a form 6, Importers are trying to fight this new trend but its falling on deaf ears as who do ya complain to...... we have a republican president who cannot be re-elected isn't he sposed to be the one to look out for our Second amendment rights? About the only way to convince the BATF to get back into approving the form 6s is by the pres callin up the director and tellin him he needs to start gettin em approved but.... not much ya can use for pressure to get the current Pres to do so......... re-election isn't an issue and if we get Democrats in in 08 do ya think Hillary is going to call up the director and tell him he better start approving the form 6s to get more ammo imported into the USA or do ya think they are gonna wanna follow even closer to what the UN wishes are? Get a Grass roots non-proffesional politition in for pres? O.K so do ya really see that happening in the next 15 or so years? And if by some miricle it did happen do ya think callin up the BATF director his/her first week would be at the top of the agenda?

Either stock up on reloading supplies OR build ya some really pretty wall displays to put the guns ya can no longer shoot in so they can at least be used as ornaments cause they really don't make very good clubs and while some are o.k as garden stakes they don't serve well as fence posts....... :(
 
The big problem is that everything is related somehow to energy costs.
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Marginally correct. The main cause is our overseas adventuring (thanks Bush!) and the consequent overspending causing a drop in the value of the dollar. Right now, we're competing against the world market with a devalued dollar, so ammo is going to cost more.
 
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