IJ1981
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Seems like a reasonable question. These areas can be dangerous at all times.
What does the Forum think?
What does the Forum think?
Should a American Citizen With No Disabilities Be Able to Board a Train, Bus or Subway With a Firearm?
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tommy.duncan
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Absolutely, If you can legally own it you should be able to carry it!
We are responsible for our own security, not the police. That's not their job.
We are responsible for our own security, not the police. That's not their job.
DeepSouth
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The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Creaky_Old_Cop
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Not to be "that guy" again....but the 2A already tells the government that it has no right to tell us where we can "keep and bear" which literally means "own and carry".
People (especially those in government) forget that the Constitution does not "grant" us any rights at all. It ENUMERATES and AFFIRMS our rights, as being given by our creator, and ours by virtue of our birth, and specifically limits the authority of the government.
I'm sad that even some gun owners consider The Second Amendment to be a "second class right".
People (especially those in government) forget that the Constitution does not "grant" us any rights at all. It ENUMERATES and AFFIRMS our rights, as being given by our creator, and ours by virtue of our birth, and specifically limits the authority of the government.
I'm sad that even some gun owners consider The Second Amendment to be a "second class right".
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Public transport should be no different than any other public place. However, I can see why cities would be apprehensive to allow carry in such situations.
St. Louis is banning open carry due to large numbers of incidents with young adults walking around with AR pistols hanging off their necks. It is reckless in many cases but mostly legal. If I were a cop in such a situation, I can see why not having a dozen 19 year olds open carrying outside a gas station would make your job easier.
I know that is not a popular opinion on this board but there is nuance in many things in life.
St. Louis is banning open carry due to large numbers of incidents with young adults walking around with AR pistols hanging off their necks. It is reckless in many cases but mostly legal. If I were a cop in such a situation, I can see why not having a dozen 19 year olds open carrying outside a gas station would make your job easier.
I know that is not a popular opinion on this board but there is nuance in many things in life.
AlexanderA
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The real question, hidden in this thread, is -- In what ways are trains, busses, and subways distinguishable from airplanes? The consensus seems to be that prohibiting guns on airplanes is permissible. Why, then, are other modes of transportation different?
Creaky_Old_Cop
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The cool thing about unpopular opinions...you are free to have them. I agree with you in part, but I disagree in part. The Constitutionalist in me disagrees with you and wants to call you some kind of liberal commie turd (j/k). BUT...I know that's not the case, because you seem to be pretty reasonable and truthfully, seeing that would make ME uncomfortable because as a retired cop, and man who raised two kids, and who has dealt with so-called young adults know that with very few exceptions...young adults are generally stupid, and can't be trusted to wash their nutz let alone operate anything more deadly than a microwave. I also know that their relative IQ drops exponentially as their gaggles get larger, and common sense, logic, and reason aren't a part of their behavior. But still, I don't agree that ANY city, state, or federal entity has the right to infringe on ANY of our rights.
.308 Norma
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"Should a American Citizen With No Disabilities Be Able to Board a Train, Bus or Subway With a Firearm?"
American Citizens with no "Disabilities" ???Curious - what kind of "disabilities" are you talking about? I wear glasses, and the VA just bought my first pair of hearing aids. Besides those things, I sometimes use a cane to walk. Do you think those "disabilities" should make me unable to board a train, bus or subway with a firearm?
Sorry if I'm sounding picky. It's just that I really want to vote in your poll and participate in this thread. And I can't unless you explain what kind of "disabilities" you're talking about.
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Does one have to pass through metal detectors and hidden object detectors to board them.
Lo-Profile
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Where in the Constitution does it disqualify people with a disability to defend themselves.
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CCWs aren't allowed on subways or trains or busses?
It is a philosophical question.
And this very specific rail transport question has been done before.
We also know the answers to such philosophical questions that have been done before...
1) Of course
2) But...security
3) Reality
What would be much better is to come up with some solutions to carry and mass transit issues instead of philosophical questions. How about a non philosophical question if there isn't an answer being offered? Like...
What trains can't you carry on? What could we really do to be able to carry on a train if it is prohibited... by who? What is the actual risk to train riders from attack while riding? If there's a credible risk then and trains are utilities why aren't the owners doing something to reduce the risk to customers? When ...
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IJ1981
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Hello! You are going overboard! Did I have to spell out no felony, mental disturbances, no 200 parking tickets! Please!
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IJ1981
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I am beginning to feel like Rick Nelson in Garden Party. 1972.
"You can't please everyone, but you got to please yourself. "
"You can't please everyone, but you got to please yourself. "
.308 Norma
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Obviously! I wouldn't have asked otherwise.
Besides, you asked about American Citizens with "no disabilities." When did felonies, let alone parking tickets become classified as "disabilities?"
I'm out anyway. Bye.
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IJ1981
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Sayonara, mi Amigo! I hope we part amicably.
AlexanderA
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I think the OP was talking about a legal "disability," such as conviction for a felony. Disqualifying for a physical disability just wouldn't make any sense.
ETA: Suppose you were a blind person getting on a train. Is it even realistic to think you would be carrying a gun?
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lightman
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I voted yes, if the person is otherwise allowed to carry I feel busses, trains, trollies, ect should be no different. I sort of see why its not allowed on airplanes.
Choctaw
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One person voted no...
anothernewb
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I remember when Bernie Goetz made that call. Arguably saved his life. but sparked quite the debate afterwards.
Perhaps a more accurate word to use would have been "disqualifications".
Lo-Profile
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So blind people are supposed to be denied a Constitutional Right. I know blind people that have self defense weapons.
Y'all are missing the whole "shall not be infringed" thing.
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The times in my life when I was most at risk of attack where the days I had to rely on public transportation. In a subway you are trapped - on a bus you don’t know if the local yahoos are choosing that night to hang at the stop you get off at and maybe they feel feisty tonight.
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