Tirod The end result is that the SB15 has demonstrated to shooters they don't need to get a stamp to enjoy the benefits of an SBR, if they are willing to accept the lack of a conventional shoulder thingy that goes up.
And the lack of a REAL shoulder stock and the benefits it brings is important to many.
There are pros and cons each way, but a pistol at this time has less restrictions on possession and transport than the SBR. The proponents of the SBR claim a lot of work arounds, but that is the point - work around the laws to enjoy the same freedoms the pistol owners can exercise straight up.
Do you feel those "work arounds" threaten your freedom? I don't. And having an SBR allows me to exercise quite a few more freedoms than does the owner of the arm brace.
It seems many challenge that, and I'll say it again - they are immersed in the process as a way to gain more reputation. They are a Stamp holder.
Nonsense. It's a freaking $200 tax. Considering the amount of $$$$ folks spend on guns that $200 is miniscule. Where on earth you get the idea that it helps someone "gain more reputation" is beyond rational thought. If it's simply jealousy that someone paid $200 for a tax stamp and waited a few months vs paying $150 for the Sig Arm brace and waited a week.............that's plain weird reasoning.
To me it's really a matter of whether we prefer to cooperate with a restrictive government agency, and it seems there a lot who do prefer it. I posted the BATF Elimination Act thread and there seems to be ample proof - nobody much enjoying the prospect of eliminating a bureaucracy that as outlived it's usefulness. No support we need to go forward with the idea. No positive input this could be the first step in eliminating the NFA and GCA altogether.
So your telling us you choose to cooperate only with those "restrictive government agency" regulations that you agree with?
It would be hypocritical for you to fill out a 4473 because that means you are cooperating with ATF..........right?
Your "BATF Elimination Act" is a joke. Unless the GCA and NFA are eliminated
first those Federal laws would still be in effect.........and another agency would be tasked with the enforcement of those laws. Be careful of what you wish for, because eliminating ATF and folding their responsibility into another existing or even new Federal agency may not work out like you think. Eliminate the GCA/NFA and the firearms regulation will solve itself.
We'd rather live with the evil we have than work to change it. I think we need an attitude check.
Where have you been the last decade?
There is an all time high in states allowing concealed carry, an ever increasing number allow open carry, the Heller decision, firearms carry in National Parks and the list goes on and on......heck even ATF says you can put a crappy stock on a pistol and call it an arm brace and use it as a shoulder stock. Whoodathunkit?
Seems to me that Second Amendment advocacy is charging full steam ahead. The NRA and Second Amendment Foundation haven't been shy about the power they wield on Capitol Hill. Who in this thread said they would rather "live with evil"?......not a soul. You just invented a straw man.
As for the guns, there is no substantial difference between shooting an otherwise identically equipped SBR or a pistol that is being "misused" by shooting it at the shoulder.
For some of us there is a HUGE difference......we don't like the Sig Arm Brace as a shoulder stock. If that hurts your feelings, sorry, but there is no need to question anyones "attitude" or denigrate them as a tax stamp snob.
Especially for the reasons they are built, close range defense. That is why the wrist brace has caught so many people's attention - it provides the same shooting experience without the hassles and with increased freedoms.
My only argument is that the Sig brace can provide a SIMILIAR shooting experience. And the "hassles" are so few as to be nearly inconsequential.
The pistol with a wrist brace is a better bang for the buck than an SBR.
I can swap shoulder stocks on my SBR........what options for length of pull, cheek weld, sling mounting, etc do you have on your AR pistol with Arm Brace?
It can be built as fast as your budget allows, and you can be using it about 4-7 months earlier.
Form 1's are being done in under THIRTY DAYS. Your "4-7 months earlier" argument just got whacked by that evil ATF.
Isn't that the basis of the conflict between the traditional rifle shooter and MSR's? And exactly why the CMP will never sell any M16, modified or not, even if it means closing it down?
Uhhhh........the CMP wasn't the one to decide that they couldn't sell M16's. Need to do some research on that one.
There are shooters out there who would rather defend their privileges than expand our freedoms.....
Name them.
Not one person in this thread has advocated anything of the sort. On the contrary, there probably isn't a member of this forum that wouldn't be happy to see the GCA and NFA go quietly into the sunset this evening. For you to suggest that those who pay tax stamps are somehow less freedom loving or less patriotic is sheer, utter and complete nonsense. It is also hypocritical.
Sad times when I read so many who pick up the forms to fill out rather than simply avoid cooperating with the restricters of freedom, especially when it's an obvious decision. We'd rather debate the nuances of the law than simply acknowledge the law is wrong to begin with.
Soooo.................you've never filled out a 4473? Applied for a concealed handgun permit?
Where is the High Road in that?
Your rant is anything but the High Road.
