SIG P365 SAS sight adjustment???

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I looked thru manual & it only references the standard 3-dot sights, not the SAS sight. I can't see any way to adjust that sight - anyone know how?

Mine shoots pretty low & a little right. I always joke to my dealer that every gun he sells me "shoots low & to the left" cuz I'm sure he gets sick of hearing that. Anyway, this isn't that - the gun is simply 7-8" low and about 2-3" right @ 10 yds. I have a regular P365 so know it isn't me since I can do fine with it & the 3-dot. Had 2 other experienced shooters play with the SAS and they were same as me - low right.

I tried different ammo & 7 yd range....no joy.

So how do I adjust the green blob sight? I know it's an up close & personal defensive gun not a target plinker, but far enough off that aimed for heart would hit spleen seems bad.....

Overall I like it, but think it will go up for sale/sold on consignment because I'm liking the original P365 more.

For a quick comparison of the 2 if anyone cares.....other than the sight they are really the same.

The porting does 0 to perceived recoil.

Shooting at dusk (not real dark, but sun had been down a bit) no real flash from the ports - nothing worse than typical muzzle flash. [Read: all the gripes "it will wreck your night vision" are unfounded]

The bobbed slide release - may as well not be there - of 3 of us, none could engage it and slingshot only method to get in battery.

Tool required takedown - meh.

MSRP and real world price a little higher than standard P365. You'd think the blob sight vs standard night sight set would cost about the same but apparently not.

Mine shipped with 2x 10 rd mags - one with pinky extension - same as my original P365 did. Did not come with the 12 rd mags that newer plain P365s ship with.

Just got email tonight from Sig that you can now just buy the SAS slide & convert standard P365. Would not have ports or the crappy slide release & takedown screw so that's an option. Didn't bother check price on it but assume it isn't free.....

The big advantage of SAS is pocket carry I guess. I don't carry that way. Maybe 0.5% of the time in a coat pocket, but that's not my thing. But played around with jeans, some 5.11 pants, & Dockers. Honestly couldn't tell any difference carrying or drawing from a front pants pocket with either.

So I'm not bashing the SAS - overall it's fine. I just sort of got a crush on the thing when I first handled it but after a good bit of range time decided I like the standard P365 better. So that was disappointing & going to take a hit selling it off I'm sure. But see no reason to hang on to both - especially if I can't figure out how to adjust the SAS sight!!!!
 
My take on the SAS:

I'd hoped to be impressed but wasn't.
Try as I might, consistently shot left roughly 3" at 7yds. With the sights lined up and holding the gun still, you could see why as that was the direction the slide pointed. And I didn't see a way to adjust the site.
The site was difficult to align. You pretty much have to center a green dot in a green circle, and both are small. I'm sure progressive lenses don't help here either.
The ported barrel blows stuff everywhere inside the slide. I can see, speaking for myself, the port reliefs in the slide being nothing but dirt and lint traps.
The darker it is, the less the fiber sites glow (duh). Sticking the gun in the darkness of my gun vault, they pretty much disappeared.
I suppose a 365 trigger is a 365 trigger....couldn't tell any difference between this one and my 365.
I could see using one for daytime carry only once you got accustomed to the sites, and maybe as a BUG, but I'm certainly not in the market for one.

And for the record, I’ve seen several posts documenting odd shot placement with the SAS as compared to the regular 365 sights. Something tells me either the sights are crooked relative to the slide or misaligned in themselves, or there is a steeper learning curve than anticipated. And I agree about picking up the sights and centering the dot-if I’m focused on that i will find it difficult to pay attention to my target and surroundings.
 
To the best of my knowledge the sights on the P365 SAS are non-adjustable.

If someone knows differently hopefully they will chime in.
 
I'll preface by stating: I have zero clue about the SAS model.

Judging from the pictures of it, if you unscrewed the sight and put a shim under the front it should lift your POA. won't fix your "right" issue though.
 
Sovblocgunfan said:
Something tells me either the sights are crooked relative to the slide or misaligned in themselves, or there is a steeper learning curve than anticipated.
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Im willing to bet on this.... Just as with Red Dots your "normal" mount point is shifted and will take a long time to get used to esp. if you bounce around between guns with sights and this type or others.
 
tarosean said:
will take a long time to get used to esp. if you bounce around between guns with sights and this type or others.
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Yes. And in my safe, the SAS would be the odd nail sticking up in the board. Not interested in learning a new system when there isn’t a perceived benefit and everything else I own is traditional sighting systems.
 
tarosean said:
I'll preface by stating: I have zero clue about the SAS model.

Judging from the pictures of it, if you unscrewed the sight and put a shim under the front it should lift your POA. won't fix your "right" issue though.
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My P365SAS was shooting very low and right at 7 yards. I took the sight off and added a .010" shim under the sight to the rear of the the screws, and another .010" shim on the left side of the sight. Now I am at 2" right and 1" above point of aim at 7 yards. I am planning on taking the .010" shim out from under the sight and replacing it with a .005" shim. I am out of space windage wise, but with careful measuring (I am a Machinist) I plan on removing a couple of thousandths off of the right side of the sight and shimming the left side a little more. I think this will bring this little beast to the point it actually shoots to the point of aim. I am pretty flexible as far as elevation goes, but the windage needs to be right on. I was so dis satisfied with this P365SAS after I got the chance to shoot it, that I went out and bought a normal P365 with the Xray sights... Love it, except that the gun I looked at from the dealer's case wasn't the same one they dragged out of the back. The gun I got from the backroom's front Tritium sight was dead. So folks, make sure when shopping at the big box stores, make sure you get the gun you looked at, not something from the back room.
 
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To close the loop.....I gave it to my boy who then traded it for a P365XL with standard night sights. He loves what he ended up with, but didn't much care for the SAS other than the size.

Dozen+ Sigs, could be called a fanboy (although Glock, CZ, Beretta, HK, SW, Springfield, Ruger, & even Canik & Taurus in the 9mm mix), and really wanted to like that gun & had high hopes. Ultimately, can't recommend it. The problem of "snagging" doesn't really exist with a standard P365, the green blob sight is either right or it isn't - and there is no fix if "isn't" is what you get, and it costs a little more than standard P365 with SigLight sights. This was my first ever disappointment with Sig and their willingness to call something that bad "ok" and not be willing to fix. I've either talked to other owners or read on other boards, but this is a common problem....and seems very out of character for Sig to (1) release it in the first place & (2) not fix a known issue and just call it in spec by having a horrible loose spec (basically if the rounds land inside 7 ring of a B27 @ close range it's good).
 
CMV said:
To close the loop.....I gave it to my boy who then traded it for a P365XL with standard night sights. He loves what he ended up with, but didn't much care for the SAS other than the size.

Dozen+ Sigs, could be called a fanboy (although Glock, CZ, Beretta, HK, SW, Springfield, Ruger, & even Canik & Taurus in the 9mm mix), and really wanted to like that gun & had high hopes. Ultimately, can't recommend it. The problem of "snagging" doesn't really exist with a standard P365, the green blob sight is either right or it isn't - and there is no fix if "isn't" is what you get, and it costs a little more than standard P365 with SigLight sights. This was my first ever disappointment with Sig and their willingness to call something that bad "ok" and not be willing to fix. I've either talked to other owners or read on other boards, but this is a common problem....and seems very out of character for Sig to (1) release it in the first place & (2) not fix a known issue and just call it in spec by having a horrible loose spec (basically if the rounds land inside 7 ring of a B27 @ close range it's good).
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You by chance make any of the shims available for sale? My wife Karen and I are in the market for the SAS. I'm concerned that it's a crap shoot to own one that shoots straight. I'll let you know my findings.
 
They are not adjustable. They're made for one thing: center mass shots at short distance. They're quite good for that I'd say. I shot one in a fairly low-light indoor range. They gather light incredibly well and once you're used to them, you get the hang of it. Then I went back to my standard sights. I'm too old school.
 
RainDodger said:
They are not adjustable. They're made for one thing: center mass shots at short distance. They're quite good for that I'd say. I shot one in a fairly low-light indoor range. They gather light incredibly well and once you're used to them, you get the hang of it. Then I went back to my standard sights. I'm too old school.
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Hmmm...3(or 4?) people on this thread say the 365SAS is inaccurate..MAC dude, who seems to love anything SIG, his did too..

SO, I'd say stick to 'normal' sights, IMHO..
 
The handgun and sights not being "on" is a continual question. People have to realize that their factory-built handgun is more than likely NOT going to shoot exactly to the point of aim. If it does, you're lucky. The way you grip the gun, your stance, the rigidity of your wrist and grip, your sight picture, your reaction to recoil/sound, your reaction to whatever is going on around you... ALL of that is going to impact where the bullet goes. Another giant factor is the cartridge you're shooting. There are huge differences in ammunition - every hand loader knows this. Two cartridges with the same specifications and maybe a different bullet manufacturer can hit your target in massively different places! It's just the way it is. If your factory sights happen to hit point-of-aim with a given cartridge, you're a lucky owner. Now, at 7 yards, most cartridges will perform similarly... the farther away, the more they will not. Carry guns generally only have a windage adjustment available by drifting a sight right or left - you're expected to compensate within reason, for elevation. It's just the way it is - one gun cannot shoot all different cartridges to the same point-of-aim, for one individual shooter - it just can't happen. The new Sig slide has non-adjustable sights. You just have to live with it, and learn about "Kentucky windage". Besides, used for its expected purpose, it's going to work just fine. It's not a target/range gun.
 
If you watch the MAC video of his review the sights are what i would call considerably off at 5 yards. Something like 8" it looked like to me. He was aiming center and barely catching it left arm. To hit dead center he had to aim past the right shoulder. That was with 2 shooters and different types of ammo. He even mentioned in the video he got a used one or something from his LGS and it hit dead center for POA. I like the SAS setup and want one but still shy about something that may not be accurate.
 
I bought this pistol a few months ago and shot it only once - it was considerably “off” target. Yesterday I spent more time with it and it is way off. I then watched MAC video and I’d say mine is as far off as the one in the video.

I called SIG and they suggested I loosen the site and bias the front of the site with my fingers to the left and retighten. The rep I spoke with stressed “it isn’t a precision shooting weapon - it is designed for close distances...”, etc.

I’ll give that a shot, but don’t really think that this site (which isn’t really “adjustable”) can be moved enough to get it within SIG’s tolerance which is “within an 8” circle at 10yds”. I’ll follow SIG’s suggestions and update accordingly.
 
Sure glad I found this year old thread before buying an SAS model. No way to tell if it's accurate or not at the gun counter making the purchase. Sounds like accuracy is certainly a concern by many here and other places. I haven't found a range that has the SAS for rent yet. I did get a GK43X for the time being. So far I like it.
 
94045 said:
To the best of my knowledge the sights on the P365 SAS are non-adjustable.
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You are right, unfortunately for some; the sights are not adjustable; though some people seem to think that replacing the slide constitutes them being "adjustable". Other pistols come to mind that have rear sights integral to the slide or top strap, certainly any revolver that has a "grooved" top strap or autos having the rear sight integral to the slide, like the Ruger Model EC9s and, of course, the SIG Model 365 SAS, that are non-adjustable. The only recourse is to have the slide replaced, as in the case of auto pistols, or the barrel turned ("clocked") or the front sight bent in one direction or the other, in the case of revolvers.

Rear sights that are integral to the slide/top strap pose difficult, if not impossible, problems when it comes to adjusting windage (errors in elevation, however, can sometimes be corrected by removing material by filing the front sight [if the gun is shooting low] or adding mass to, or changing the front sight [if the gun is shooting high]).
 
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Based on what I've read here, if a P365SAS was offered to me ..even at a great price I would have to take a hard pass on it. I own an XL which I truly enjoy and had and sold a P365. Sig's in general are great guns...but that SAS seems to be a dog.
 
You can get about 7” of windage adjustment, but no elevation adjustment without shims. This was my experience at 25-30’
 
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