Correct. This is the first time I've heard of a manual or thumb safety being called a "manual trigger safety". To most people, a "trigger safety" is the dingus on a Glock trigger.I believe the question is your use of the word "trigger". On the Sig Sauer web site under P365 models, they refer to the availability of a "Manuel Safety" the word trigger does not appear.
That would seem to be your choice of words not Sig Sauer's or apparently some members of this forum
Ya, I try to stay up on gun features and was a bit confused, I wasn’t sure if it was something newly added to the 365, but I see that it is a thumb safety that is being described.I believe the question is your use of the word "trigger". On the Sig Sauer web site under P365 models, they refer to the availability of a "Manuel Safety" the word trigger does not appear.
That would seem to be your choice of words not Sig Sauer's or apparently some members of this forum
I believe the question is your use of the word "trigger". On the Sig Sauer web site under P365 models, they refer to the availability of a "Manuel Safety" the word trigger does not appear.
That would seem to be your choice of words not Sig Sauer's or apparently some members of this forum
Correct. This is the first time I've heard of a manual or thumb safety being called a "manual trigger safety". To most people, a "trigger safety" is the dingus on a Glock trigger.
People commonly omit important words that clarify their meaning.
Also note that Sig does not refer to the manual trigger safety lever as a "thumb safety" in their parts diagram.
You could theoretically have a manual striker safety lever that engaged a block to prevent the striker from releasing.
and by being pedantic and not using common parlance you’ve spent how many posts explaining a concept you know very well would have been clear had you used “thumb safety”.
Maybe SIGSauer doesn’t call it a “manual trigger safety” because the “manual safety lever” on the striker-fired P365 blocks the sear movement of the P365, not the trigger movement. (In the owners manual, page 20, see below.)A "Thumb Safety" can be a "Manual Trigger Safety" in a P365 or it can also be a "Slide Lock" as used in a 1911. The thumb actuates a lever that has a different function in each pistol.
I'm not a huge fan of non-specific jargon.
This is not dis-similar to bicycle geeks getting upset because I used the term "Sprocket" instead of "Chain Ring" or "Chain Wheel".
True. I'd be interested to see that term used by a manufacturer or professional firearms user. I couldn't find any examples in a brief search. Could you provide a few?People commonly omit important words that clarify their meaning.
Maybe SIGSauer doesn’t call it a “manual trigger safety” because the “manual safety lever” on the striker-fired P365 blocks the sear movement of the P365, not the trigger movement..
Only partially and consequentially.
The internal faces impinge on the sear to lock to the hammer. It's a hugely important part of fitting a 1911 thumb safety.
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True. I'd be interested to see that term used by a manufacturer or professional firearms user. I couldn't find any examples in a brief search. Could you provide a few?
So I take it you've never shot, or owned, any SIG pistols. Otherwise, you would not spout such nonsense. (Not to mention, that type of statement with zero documentation or explanation contributes exactly nothing to the discussion)Sig has become the Disney of the Gun Industry...Lots of glitter to cover the flaws.
So I take it you've never shot, or owned, any SIG pistols. Otherwise, you would not spout such nonsense. (Not to mention, that type of statement with zero documentation or explanation contributes exactly nothing to the discussion)
I own a couple Glock 43X pistols -- quite worthy in their own right -- as well as three SIG P-365s (one with manual safety, one without, and an XL). They're all terrific pistols. The trigger dingus on the Glocks, well, on the 43Xs I can get used to. Excellent tactile and audible reset. The SIGs? I like the manual safety, but can live without it. Triggers are exceptional, as are the X-Ray sights.
People just gettin' down in the weeds, and as my kid used to say, "haters gonna hate."
An open mind is a wonderful thing.
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You misunderstood me. I was talking about manufacturers or professional firearm users, not joe random on another forum.Trigger Safety vs No Trigger Safety
https://www.defensivecarry.com/threads/trigger-safety-vs-no-trigger-safety.485613/
In the discussion linked above there are multiple people referring to an externally actuated manual trigger safety as a "Safety", "Manual Safety", "Trigger Safety", "External Safety", "Manual External Safety", "External Manual Safety", "Thumb Safety", "Manual Thumb Safety", and "Mechanical Safety".
But some people are also referring to the trigger dongle on a Glock, used to make the pistol drop safe, as a "Trigger Safety". There is are also references to "Trigger Blade" (Glock style trigger dongle) or "Hinge Safeties". Referring to a "Drop Safety" that is located on a trigger as a "Trigger Safety" seems like a very poor choice of a name as it does NOT prevent the gun from firing if the trigger is depressed.
All of these different names for the same kind of safety in one single discussion, as well as the same name being used for two different kinds of safeties! There does not appear to be a consensus as to what to call an externally actuated manual trigger safety.
As a Glock, SIGSauer 3- and P- series, 1911/2011, S&W revolver, Ruger Mini-14 & GP/SP series revolver and an 870/1100 armorer; I am sort of familiar with the safety functions of various firearms. I am not Gods gift by any stretch, but I know a bit.Blocking the sear prevents you from depressing the trigger past the wall and releasing the sear.
But it would probably be more accurate to refer to a P365 externally actuated manual trigger safety as a "Manual Sear Block" as that is what it actually does instead of directly blocking the trigger.
I stand corrected, as this would appear to be both a slide lock and a trigger safety, if I am assuming correctly that blocking the sear prevents full trigger movement.
Beside the externally actuated manual trigger safety and the internally actuated "Striker Safety" / "Striker Block" in a P365, there is also an takedown safety that prevents you from removing the slide if a magazine is inserted. And if the externally actuated manual trigger safety is engaged it also prevents the slide from being removed. Then there is also the disconnecter, which is a safety to prevent the pistol from firing when the slide is out of battery.
Trigger Safety vs No Trigger Safety
https://www.defensivecarry.com/threads/trigger-safety-vs-no-trigger-safety.485613/
In the discussion linked above there are multiple people referring to an externally actuated manual trigger safety as a "Safety", "Manual Safety", "Trigger Safety", "External Safety", "Manual External Safety", "External Manual Safety", "Thumb Safety", "Manual Thumb Safety", and "Mechanical Safety".
But some people are also referring to the trigger dongle on a Glock, used to make the pistol drop safe, as a "Trigger Safety". There is are also references to "Trigger Blade" (Glock style trigger dongle) or "Hinge Safeties". Referring to a "Drop Safety" that is located on a trigger as a "Trigger Safety" seems like a very poor choice of a name as it does NOT prevent the gun from firing if the trigger is depressed.
All of these different names for the same kind of safety in one single discussion, as well as the same name being used for two different kinds of safeties! There does not appear to be a consensus as to what to call an externally actuated manual trigger safety.
It's a "hammer stop" more than anything else.I stand corrected, as this would appear to be both a slide lock and a trigger safety, if I am assuming correctly that blocking the sear prevents full trigger movement.
Cause it's more interesting than yet another "this vs. that" pistol debate.Why are we arguing about semantics of a safety when the Sig holds more rounds and is smaller than the Glock in OP’s query?