Single Action Revolver Safety

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My dad called me up the other day to tell me about the cool new sheriff's model .357 single action revolver he'd just purchased. He's always been a hunter, but not what I would call a real gun guy, and as far as I know he'd never owned any pre-20th Century arms.
As he's describing his new acquisition, I asked him if the firing pin was mounted in the hammer nose, and he said it was. My response was, "Please tell me you only have 5 chambers loaded and the hammer is down on the empty one."
At this point I was informed the guys in the gun shop had assured him that Bill Hickok, Wyatt Earp, and all of the other old timers carried their guns fully loaded with the hammer down on a cartridge, or with the hammer at half-cock. I corrected this misinformation quickly, and I hope he listens before he picks up a permanent limp.
In any case I feel the need to explain the how and why of safely loading a classic single action revolver for safe carry. Should anyone doubt my credentials, I’m not breaking new wind here. I’m only repeating wisdom passed down from Elmer Keith, John Taffin, and the Single Action Shooting Society among MANY others.
The following applies to percussion revolvers as well a cartridge arms of the American frontier period 1835-1900. The most commonly known example being Colt’s Model P Single Action Army often referred to as “The Peacemaker”. For this article I will refer to the Peacemaker and its clones with firing pins mounted on the hammer nose as “classics” and those single actions of recent design that have transfer bars as “moderns”.
Moderns are guns like the Ruger New Model Blackhawk that have their firing pins mounted in the frame of the gun. They are equipped with a metal bar that is lifted by the action of pulling the trigger. The trigger raises the transfer bar so it fills the space between the hammer nose and the back of the firing pin, and transfers the force of the hammer’s blow to fire the pistol.
Classics usually have the firing pin mounted in the hammer nose BUT some early moderns like the Roger Old Model Blackhawk, (aka The Flattop) had frame mounted firing pins, but they lacked the transfer bar, so the safety precautions described here apply to them as well.
Carrying a modern single action with a fully loaded cylinder is acceptable IF the manufacturer’s instruction manual specifically says so. When in doubt, follow the rules for the Classics, and nobody is liely to get hurt. A classic single action revolver with six cartridges represents a genuine hazard to life and limb.
If the classic pistol is carried with the hammer down, the firing pin is resting on a live cartridge primer. This is the exact position the firing pin will be in if the revolver was fired. The only thing preventing ignition is the impact force of the hammer spring. Now think about all of the times a person bumps into things, hangs part of their equipment or clothing on something they are passing in the course of their day. Any of those innocent little bumps or snags could cause that hammer to be forced down on the primer hard enough to fire it. The best possible end result is soiled undergarments, but I would hate to have a premium hollow point bullet taking a chunk out of my anatomy along the way.
The half-cock notch is not and was never intended to be a safety. Its sole function is to unlock the cylinder so it can rotate to allow the weapon to be loaded or unloaded. The sear portion of the classic Colt’s trigger is fairly thin, and the retaining ridge on the hammer’s half-cock notch is not very robust either. Both of these parts are subject to breakage from abuse such as fanning of the hammer, or the pistol being dropped. Damage to either means the hammer is free to fall with predictable results.
Another attempt at a solution is to rest the firing pin on the space between loaded chambers. Consider that as soon as the hammer starts back the cylinder starts to turn. Snagging the hammer on a bit of brush could raise that hammer just enough to turn the chamber under the firing pic and drop it on the live round. No thanks.
The safest way to carry a classic six-shooter is to make it a five shooter by leaving one chamber empty and resting the hammer on the empty.
Load One, Skip One, Load Four More

Read the following procedure completely before practicing this manipulation. It works for almost all single action revolvers. Practice this procedure using only empty/fired cartridge cases until it becomes second nature.

1. Place the revolver on half-cock by pulling the hammer back 1 click. The cylinder should rotate freely.
2. Load the first chamber of the cylinder with an EMPTY/FIRED cartridge case.
3. Rotate the cylinder past the second chamber leaving it unloaded.
4. Load chambers three through six with EMPTY/FIRED cartridge cases.
a. Looking in the left side of the frame window, the chamber in the 11 o’clock position should be #2, the empty one.
5. Make sure the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction.
6. Support the pistol’s frame with the weak-hand.
7. Bring the hammer back to full-cock.
8. Keep the ball of the strong-hand thumb firmly down on top of the hammer spur to control its forward motion in the next step.
9. Place the trigger finger inside the trigger guard and gently pull the trigger to release the hammer.
10. The hammer will try to move forward under pressure from the main spring.
11. Use the pressure of the strong-hand thumb to gently lower the hammer until it is its normal resting place against the frame.

If the sequence was followed correctly, the hammer is now resting over the empty chamber, and the weapon can be holstered or placed in storage. It may be tempting to just pull the hammer back slightly from half-cock and lower it into the resting position. Resist this temptation because the hammer will be resting on a loaded chamber, and the timing sequence will be interrupted. While this timing interruption may not damage the mechanism it may cause the revolver to jam.

Sorry for the long post. This was really weighing on my mind.
Our sport has enough enemies without giving them accident statistics to throw at us.
 
You can tell the windbags at the LGS that Wyatt Earp on one occasion dropped his fully loaded six-shooter while playing pocker. It hit the floor and went off. No one was hurt but the building quickly emptyed. The incident made the local newspaper and it was a long, long time before Wyatt lived it down. :D
 
Long story short:

Load one
Skip one
Load four
Close loading gate
Full cock and lower the hammer

Modern reproductions have some sort of safety be it a block on the hammer like my 1873 Uberti or a 2-position cylinder pin that can be pushed back in far enough to block the hammer but in any case, I still won't trust them. Loading 5 with the hammer down on an empty chamber is thee ONLY way I will load a revolver of this style!
 
Steoger, Uberti Cattleman

Based on thecdescription I got over the phone, he bought an Uberti Cattleman wth the birdshead grip frame and 3.5" barrel. He said it was "made by Steoger", but the only single action related to Steoger I could find is the Uberti import.

Uberti is owned by Beretta. A. Uberti made the best replicas of percussion revolvers for years, and my understanding is their quality has been improving since being bought out.

I'm looking forward to seeing it myself.
 
Uberti and Stoeger are both owned by Beretta. Stoeger is the distributor for Uberti in the US.
 
I had an older SBH 44 mag that didn't have the block, 1970 something, and while horse back riding one day it fell out of the holster and discharged when it hit the ground.

GS
 
I suspect that Earp was not the only one who carried his SAA fully loaded especially if he knew he was going into trouble. We all know it's unsafe but I don't think most in that era were as concerned about gun safety as today. Having said that it is foolish for anyone to carry a SA without a transfer bar with six in the cylinder. I would never consider carrying one of my Colts fully loaded.

It's referred to as "five beans in the wheel".
 
I'll be the odd man out. I carry an older Uberti quite a lot as I live in the country which presents opportunities for me to carry almost daily while feeding cattle, cutting firewood, hunting, plowing, fixing fence, etc. I carry with a full cylinder and the hammer between resting between the rims of two cartridges. I've been carrying this way for nearly a year now. This fall I carried and used the pistol to take three whitetails so there was plenty of opportunity for mishaps. None occurred.

If anyone is carrying any holstered pistol without some method of retaining it in the holster, they should at the very least have their hands slapped or better yet their noggins examined. Carrying this way is truly an accident waiting to happen. Even if unloaded the last thing I want is for my pistol to fall from the holster and hit terra firma. When holstered, my revolvers are retained ALWAYS by a tight hammer thong or loop. When stand hunting the revolver is in my hands, resting between my legs.

I bought my wife a pair of Uberti Hombre's and they both have a block on the hammer under the firing pin that is actuated when the hammer is lowered to the half-cock safety. My Dad has a Uberti that too has this safety. And by the way Modernhoglegs, the second click or notch IS a safety regardless of how effective or ineffective it may be. The third click or notch is the one that lowers the bolt and frees the cylinder for rotation during loading. Anyhow, this block prevents the hammer from travelling far enough for the firing pin to strike a primer. If I have time later this evening I'll tear one of her revolvers down and snap a few pictures of this feature and post them here.

I used to carry on an empty cylinder until last spring when I began carrying one shot load in the cylinder for use on our ever-present rattlesnakes. I just didn't like the idea of only four SWC in the remaining chambers so I could carry on an empty cylinder. The only time I now carry five in a cylinder is during CAS competition.

I totally respect anyone's decision to carry on an empty cylinder, it's just not for me!

35W
 
Kind of like carrying a double barrel derringer only half loaded.
I do carry my Colt .45 with only 5 and a few extra in my pocket.
Speaking of safety, had a cousin who was killed dear hunting. He was accidentally shot and hit in the pocket and his extra ammo went off.
Life is a risk, beat the odds!
 
Old Colt literature instructs in the use of the safety notch. Old timers wanted their sixshooters and had less truck with lawyers even when something went wrong.

Ray Meibaum and now Eddie Janis do a lively business welding up and recutting SAA hammer notches. I wonder which notch needs the most help.

Fiction, but well researched, in the original book version of The Searchers, Amos (transmogrified to Ethan by John Wayne in the movie) pauses to load his sixth chamber as he approaches an Indian village. Makes sense to me.
 
I believe the load one, skip one , load four is good advice for the cartridge revolvers. It is the way I load mine when using them.
 
The load one skip one drill works just fine if your gun is clean and your ammo is to spec.
I recall seeing some sad CASboys who couldn't run their gun because a foul chamber or/and a lumpy cartridge bound up cylinder rotation. I always just stuck in five and rolled the cylinder to be sure it was free, then lined up the empty.
 
Yeah, without a transfer bar, I wouldn't mess around with leaving the hammer resting on a loaded chamber. One thing I like about the old Remington New Army (1858) is the safety notches that give your a little more confidence in the hammer staying put in them. Still not ideal, but fairly secure.

For me, SA without transfer bars are range toys and only stoked when taken to the line to fire. My carry SA revolvers are a Ruger BH and New Vaquero. I keep them fully loaded.
 
On a modern Ruger or similar gun fully loaded is fine. With the others 5 is best.
 
I didn't watch the entire video. Did he try that with it on half-cock? I don't think anyone here is arguing that it's downright stupid to carry a SA loaded with 6 and the hammer against a live primer.

35W
 
I load six and skip none.

But then, mine have transfer bars, so I don't really have a dog in this fight.
 
I had this same discussion on another forum a couple of months or so ago. I summed it up like this:

I fully understand this method is not as safe as carrying the hammer over an empty chamber, but it's one of those risks in life I'm willing to take.

While we're on the subject of taking risks, how many here talk or text while driving, drive without a seatbelt, drive after having a couple of beers/drinks, smoke, eat unhealthy foods, don't exercise enough or at all...

Just a little food for thought as a reminder that we all take risks everyday and we don't always understand the risks the other fellow is willing to take....


35W
 
As long as someone knows there is a risk, no matter how small, and makes an informed decision then you can make an argument that it is a personal matter. I just wouldn't want to be around someone of they dropped one carried this way. It is not just the personal safety of the person carrying the gun, but anyone in the area.
 
As long as someone knows there is a risk, no matter how small, and makes an informed decision then you can make an argument that it is a personal matter. I just wouldn't want to be around someone of they dropped one carried this way. It is not just the personal safety of the person carrying the gun, but anyone in the area.

I understand completely others creating risk for those around them. As I was driving to work yesterday morning, in the dark, I passed a car travelling about 70 mph down a 4-lane divided highway, again, in the dark, whose driver had his hands on the steering wheel at 11:00 and 1:00 with a "Smart" phone held against the steering wheel with his thumbs. I could see by the light cast by his phone that his eyes were fixed on the phone. My line of work puts me out in traffic, normally afoot, almost daily and I see examples such as this every single time I'm out in traffic. And we worry about how someone carries their single action revolver??? Any one of us is exponentially more likely to be killed or maimed because we or someone else is careless with a vehicle.

I personally have never dropped or seen dropped a firearm of any type is 40+ years of hunting, competitive trap shooting, sporting clays, skeet and High Power competition.

35W
 
I personally have never dropped or seen dropped a firearm of any type is 40+ years of hunting, competitive trap shooting, sporting clays, skeet and High Power competition.

Howdy Again

In CAS, dropping a loaded firearm, pistol, rifle, or shotgun, is a match DQ. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, put your guns away. There is a lot of movement in CAS, and sometimes poop happens. We have a saying. There are those who have dropped a gun, and there are those who have not dropped a gun yet. That is why it is mandatory in CAS to only load 5 in a revolver and the hammer must be down on an empty chamber. Yes, I have seen loaded guns dropped. No, I have not dropped one........yet.
 
A friend of mine who introduced me to CAS almost dropped his. As he related it to me, I recall him saying as holstered a pistol to move to the next stage, the pistol didn't quite make it in to the holster and was sort of laying on top of the holster, but never actually hit the ground as his fellow competitors quickly made him aware of the situation!

35W
 
Howdy Again

In CAS, dropping a loaded firearm, pistol, rifle, or shotgun, is a match DQ. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, put your guns away. There is a lot of movement in CAS, and sometimes poop happens. We have a saying. There are those who have dropped a gun, and there are those who have not dropped a gun yet. That is why it is mandatory in CAS to only load 5 in a revolver and the hammer must be down on an empty chamber. Yes, I have seen loaded guns dropped. No, I have not dropped one........yet.
This is also said in motorcycling, on dropping a bike or a crash:YET
 
Let me say that I have been involved in Cowboy Action Shooting for a couple of decades now. Let me also say that I have researched this topic rather, ah, extensively.

Now, for what it may be worth, the ONLY time the sixth chamber was loaded was when the <deleted> was expected to hit the fan momentarily. At that point the hammer was left in the half-cock position to prevent (or significantly reduce the probability of) any unwanted discharges.

-- Nighteyes
 
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