Smallest scope that has MOA Christmas tree reticle?

[Buck13]

What is the smallest scope that has a Christmas tree reticle calibrated in MOA and halfway decent optics? Say up to maybe $350. I might put a new scope on one of my .22LR rifles, so nothing crazy-powerful needed. It just might be fun to have, since I like "busy" displays. You should see the foolishness I have on my Garmin sport watch face!

edit: Feel free to tell me how wrong I am and why I need millirads instead. I just don't understand that system was well as MOAs yet, but I don't really know MOAs that well...

 

[GooseGestapo]

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[Buck13]

Hmm, the "Similar threads" below led me to this:

Primary Arms SLx 1-6x24 SFP Rifle Scope Gen III - Illuminated ACSS Reticle - 22 LR

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Not *precisely* what I was looking for, but close, and reasonably priced. I'm going to have to RTFM because I can't figure out how the ranging scale is useful on game animals, not that I'm likely hunt with it.

edit: I read the manual, and I'm really not buying it! What part of a squirrel is the same diameter as a beer can???

 

[bearcreek]

edit: I read the manual, and I'm really not buying it! What part of a squirrel is the same diameter as a beer can???

I'm guessing you're not familiar with eastern Fox or Gray squirrels. A big fox squirrel can be lots bigger than a beer can, closer to a Gatorade bottle. Way bigger than the pine squirrels I imagine you're used to.

 

[12Bravo20]

The Primary Arms ACSS 22LR is set up for the average sized fox or gray squirrel. And they are generally bigger than pine squirrels or some ground squirrels. Personally , I am not a big fan of BDC type reticles.

Scopes with Christmas tree reticles are easier to find in 4-12 power and up. I have a couple of PA scopes with their ACSS reticles but they just don't work well for me since I have issue using chevron reticles.

If you are wanting to stick with a 4-X scope, I can recommend the Swampfox Patriot 4-16 scopes. They are available with MOA or MIL reticles. They are slightly over your price at $369. Now if you qualify for Swampfox's MIL/LEO discount then the price will be under your $350 cap.

As far as MOA versa MIL, go with which ever one you are most comfortable using. Both systems work as intended. I stick with MIL since that is what I am use to using.

 

[Buck13]

I'm guessing you're not familiar with eastern Fox or Gray squirrels. A big fox squirrel can be lots bigger than a beer can, closer to a Gatorade bottle. Way bigger than the pine squirrels I imagine you're used to.

Well, to be more specific: Not only do animals vary in size, both by species and age, but how big their bodies appear varies A LOT with their posture. So, the head of an adult gray squirrel would be pretty consistent and might be useful for ranging, but the thickness or length of a squirrel's body changes dramatically as it moves around (not to mention that the ranging marks are likely not to be oriented correctly WRT the animal at the moment you are looking at it), and the size of a 3/4-grown vs full-grown rabbit's head is a big enough difference to throw off the range quite a bit.

Given how steeply .22LR bullets start dropping beyond 100 yards and how small the vitals, and especially the heads, of small game animals are, I'm skeptical that this is of very much practical use for meat hunting. If you are willing to take body shots and spoil some meat, might be a bit more possible?

That said, I saw a couple of YouTube vids last night of target shooting with one of these at semi-unknown distances, and it looked pretty good, if one was in the habit of shooting at clays or cans.

 

[Buck13]

As far as MOA versa MIL, go with which ever one you are most comfortable using. Both systems work as intended. I stick with MIL since that is what I am use to using.

I guess I should first figure out which is in more common use and learn the one that is more popular, so I'm speaking the same language. I'm used to hearing about MOA, but mainly when people are talking about turret clicks.

 

[Walkalong]

The US Optics TS 3-12s are 12" long, but it looks like the MOA ones are gone

 

[TonyAngel]

Check out the Vortex Ranger 1-4x at eurooptics.

It's a renamed Gen I PST and is under $300.