Snobbery....

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Dave McCracken

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When the kid with cobalt blue hair pulled the little NEF 20 gauge single from the Fender guitar case, I was a bit surprised at what happened next.

A few of us has been waiting for the trap to be restocked. My TB was in the rack, along with the usual collection of SBTs, autos and other shotguns more commonly used at a trap range than that NEF.

Two older shooters with straight patches on their vests saw the NEF, looked at each other, picked up their shotguns and left the range. Obviously, they didn't want to shoot with the kid. He and his GF were maybe 20, with a few too many earrings for my stodgy old self, but they weren't acting crazy or stupid.

I noted the kid kept the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and his GF was belting on a pouch/bag setup similar to mine. She took the NEF as we went to the line.I asked her if she had done this before. She smiled a little shyly and said she had shot, but not very much. She followed the safety rules and seemed to know where to stand and what to do. Even with that light shotgun, she tilted back like rookies do to counter the weight.

It was a 3 shooter squad, her, me and an older guy with that construction worker look of casual competence with mechanical things. He shot a BT99 fairtomiddlin'. After a shot or two, both of us started tutoring the girl. Her stance and swing improved, and she started hitting straightaways, tho the angles continued to elude her patterns.

She had a big smile as she handed the 20 gauge to her BF, and the other shooter, the BF and I went back for another round. He did poorly at first, until I told him to shut his left eye. Yup, another mixed dominance shooter. Then he hit most of them and had a grin like a possum eating roadkill as he cased that little 20. They thanked both of us and left.Before the left, though, I gave them this website, so they may be reading this.

As another group of shooters headed for the line, I sat down next to the BT99 guy and said I sure liked to teach rookies. He replied, after a moment's reflection,something like this....

"Those guys that left rather than shoot with the kids have their heads up their _____. The kids were safe, those guys just didn't want to shoot with rookies or those outside their own group. And those kids are the future of trapshooting, and shooting in general".

I agreed, and said that if every shotgunner taught ONE rookie a year to shoot,the future of gun ownership is a lot more secure than it is.

And after, I reflected on the fact that lots of us otherwise good folks have our own little biases and snobberies.

Some SC types thnk trapshooters are just grumpy ol' men too rigid to try something new.

Some trapshooters think SC types are showing off their incomes.

The Practical types think the clay shooters are effete psuedo-intellectuals, and the clay shooters oft regard the black BDU types as Rambo wannabees and Klan members.

And there's hunters who think the clay shooters are too queasy of stomach to shed bird blood.

Heck,there may even be some 870 owners out there that think that Mossie owners are inbred cheapskates who never wash below their collar line.

And it's more than time for this to stop.

The enemy is not some kids with an NEF trying to have safe fun at the range, it's Michael Moore.

The enemy is not some SC in a golf cart with a Perazzi, it's Sarah Brady.

The enemy is not some guy blasting steel plates in an amazingly short time period, it's Josh Sugerman.

The enemy's the fool with too many Buds in him blasting road signs with a shotgun.

The enemy's the hunter with too many ducks, the loudmouth bragging about jacking deer, the fool doing 90 MPH past cars with his bumper sticker saying "This vehicle insured by Smith and Wesson".

And the enemy's the guys who left the line because they didn't want to shoot with a beginner.

Pogo's immortal words do apply....

"We have met the enemy, and he is us".....
 
Yeah, I was really nervous when I started going trap shooting. But the guys are very cool (I'm 29 with two earrings and they are mostly older guys) and one very good shooter in particular works with me all the time. He locks the trap down and I work on specific shots from the same station before the majority of shooters arrive. I've gone from only having shot a shotgun a few times to shooting between 20/25 and 24/25 (I haven't run them yet!). My goal this season is to shoot a 47 and have my score counted for our team, as only the top ten scores are counted toward the team's total.
 
Snobbery exists among the hunters, too. Case in point, ME.

When I first started shotgunning, I had a Savage/Stevens Mdl 94B, a break-action single shot in 16 GA. After a season or 2, I was putting just as many squirrels, ducks, quail & doves in the game bag as they were with their 12Ga Brownings, Ithicas, Remington & Winchesters.

And when 1 of the guys would give me a rash about my 16Ga pop-gun, I would drop in a short mag #4 load left from duck season, and say "here, try it out...:evil: "

After that, the bulkiest guy in the group called it a 'foot-a-more" gun....moves ya back a foot or more eveytime ya shoot it.
 
Some folks shoot an NEF 20 because that's what they have. I started shooting Trap with an Rem 870 because that's what I had. No one walked, that I noticed, that I gave a rats *** about. Hell, one of them brought a Mossberg pump with plastic furniture to shoot Skeet.

I like the guys I shoot with. One traded me his Browning Lightning O/U for my 870 to shoot a round of Skeet. He still shot well and my score improved, but it did spoil me. Now I'm shooting my own Browning O/U and getting a new stock for the 870 because I still intend to shoot it on both the Trap and Skeet fields.

As far as kids with tattoos and earrings: Body piercing and RAP music are pretty common these days and if you write off every shooter who has one while they listen to Eminem you'll alienate a lot of the next generation. Personally, I can't stand that stuff, but anybody who shows up at a range to shoot is a potential pro-gun voter.

Out here in California, with dime a cartridge "fees" looming, we'll take pro-gun voters wherever we can get them. A lot of the next generation will have tattoos and piercings they'll regret later in life, no point in alienating them now.
 
Tamara summed it up pretty well quite a while back calling them "silly little tribes." :(
 
Don't forget that snobbery also exists when a bunch of guys who shoot 24s or 25s with their $2K O/Us scoff at the Perazzi shooter who only shoots a 21 or 22. Snobbery works both ways, and it is annoying 100% of the time.
 
I've noticed elitism in the woods and fields from those in tweed and leather who look down their noses at those in denim and canvas. Why do some distance themselves from others solely based upon appearance, attire, equipment? Hey, we've got the same passion! Let's share it!
 
I've seen this happen many, many times.

I've been subject to it more than once myself.

You can't shoot that riot gun here! This is a skeet range? "No duh, a-hole..."

What are you doing with a pump shotgun on the sporting clays range?

"Getting ready for pheasant season."

You mean you actually HUNT? (surprised look on his face)

"Well, a-hole, unless they start stocking the sporting clays range with pheasants, yeah, I hunt. A-hole."

I've run into far too many shotgun shooters who believe in gun control.

They don't think their shotguns are guns, so they won't be affected by any anti-gun legislation.

The VERY best, though?

The old man who just about stroked out when I pulled a Lee Enfield .410 shotgun out of the case.

Even after he saw what it was, he continued to rant.

What an a-hole.
 
Thanks,folks, guess I'm not the only one that notices this. And it's glad I am of that.

Mike, more than once I've glanced at a shooter with a nice shotgun and thought it was a shame that such a nice shotgun was wasted on a jerk. It happens, and it's proof that money can buy material things but not character.

And I'm a little guilty of a reverse kind of snobbery too. You may recall me relating with glee about using Frankenstein (total cost,$140) and outshooting other folks with the high dollar stuff.

People are way too invested in dichotomizing, the Us vs Them thing. Let's remember that when seeing someone outside our "Silly little tribe".
 
It's too bad a good, honest, from the heart post by Dave spirals into the usual diatribe about clay shooters particularly those who, for better or worse, decide to buy an expensive gun.

Mike's post is pretty unfortunate. It does prove however that attitude problems are not the sole preserve of people with high grade guns.

Neither of course is shooting ability but then we all knew that.

Paul
 
last time i went shotgun shooting, I had a similar experience with the owner of the range.

i brought along my NEF 20 gauge (with newly shortened 20 inch barrel) and my desert camo mossberg 500 persuader with extended mag tube, 20 inch barrel, and GR sights.

i got the strangest look from the guy, and a diatribe about how i should buy a ruger red label because my current shotguns wouldn't do. (like somehow a riot gun stops working on a trap field)
 
Paul, Mike's a good guy, I think this must have touched a nerve.

Among all flavors of shotgunners, the jerks are a small but obvious minority. Most shotgunners I know are great people.

Andrew, the facilities at PGC are terrific, which is one reason I shoot there. They do have a silly rule about barrel length, saying that a minimum of 23" is legit and banning all shorter ones. They SAY it's for too much blast and noise, but they've no problem with ported barrels, many of which are absolutely horrible blasters and noisy as all heck. IOW, the real reason is to keep EBS's out of there for whatever reasons.

H*ll, out of the 6 shotguns and 7 barrels here, only the NEF single and my TB qualify. And Frankenstein's my hunting shotgun, I'd love to shoot 5 stand and SC with it there.

And, that $#%^&* rule eliminates most "Youth" shotguns, like the 21" barreled YE here. Maybe that's why so few kids are shooting at PGC.
 
Maybe some people just like shorter barrels, too. I've never shot trap, or skeet (what's the difference, exactly?) but I don't see any reason you couldn't do it with an 18-20" shotgun. Personally, I wouldn't buy a shotgun with a barrel longer than 20", but that's me. I'm not in the market for a $3000 over and under, either...
 
'Crawler, obviously I like short barrels also. For an overview of trap and skeet, Meyer's Clay Target Handbook is about the best source I know.

And you should shoot some skeet, trap or SC. Being able to acquire and destroy two 4" clays moving at 35-50 MPH, oft in different directions, on a regular basis and in a very short time frame makes you absolutely $%^&*( deadly on larger, slower and more dangerous targets.

BTW,4" is about how wide the critical portion of the CNS is for most of its length..
 
Nightcrawler,
Quick and dirty, Skeet gives you various angles of crossing targets, with both singles and doubles. Some are closing and some are going away.
Trap singles gives you single targets that start in front and go away at limited angles. Trap doubles gives you two targets at fixed angles.

Get the book Dave mentioned because it's got a lot of good info. For an online description, go to Remington's Reading Room , under Shooting Sports you'll see both Trap and Skeet Shooting Fundamentals. HTH
 
Heck,there may even be some 870 owners out there that think that Mossie owners are inbred cheapskates who never wash below their collar line.

But Dave, that isn't snobbery....Thats true! :neener:

Another well written post. I bow to you scattergun prowness, and your total galantry.
 
My trap and skeet range requires greater than 20"...the Benelli is like 19.5 and I think Remingtons are 18".
 
Ah, but you can put a 20" tube on a Remington 870. This will also allow use of a longer magazine tube, giving you 8+1 capacity instead of 7+1. And that rule also allows Mossberg 590s and 500As. A 590A1 with a bayonet mounted would get some looks at the skeet range, hey? :evil:
 
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