Rookies, Rants and Testosterone Block....

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Dave McCracken

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The range I call PGC here is Prince George's County Trap and Skeet Center, located in MD near DC. Once owned by Beretta, it's a fine facility. And, it seems I'm a marked man there...

I shoot trap on weekends now, and am known to most of the staff, including the latest crop of rookies. These last are Job Corps grads or something, mostly "Disadvantaged" youths who get the jobs because few people with marketable job skills want them.

I'm not slamming them or the facility. A gun friendly place run by local government in MD where the State Mascot is Sarah Brady is an oasis to be treasured. Everyone has to start off somewhere, and most are decent folks. But clams know more about shotguns than some of them. And few of them shoot recreationally.

So lately, by the time I get set up and ready to shoot, oft there's one of these kids in front of me with an imploring look on his/her face, and a pair or trio of non-shooters who wish to learn.

You may know that I'm a sucker for kids and new shooters, so you know what happens next. My 870 of the day goes in the rack, and it's Shotgun 101 Live again on Range 8.

Most of these newbies use rental guns, issued with scant attention to fit or weight.

One would think that an employee of a range would know that a trap model 391 with 30" barrel and standard stock with the thick pad might not be the best shotgun for a 90 lb female rookie versus a 20 gauge 391 with the Reduced Length stock. Once again theory and reality diverged. The Beretta 680-something SBT toted by her not much bigger male companion was lighter, but still inches too long for either of them. Anyway, she listened, did her best to follow my directions and was rewarded with some hits, though she didn't break 50%.

Her companion insisted on doing it his way, had enough co-ordination to make a few more than she did, and left the line convinced thet he was one heckuva bad dude with a shotgun. At departure, he was still leaving most of the butt above his shoulder, standing 90 degrees to the line of flight like a Medieval Archer, and aiming. He could burn up a railroad car of ammo and not progress much beyond his present level. My guess is that 25 rounds left him purplish and ouchy this AM.

After they thanked me and departed, I got in a pair of rounds before the next bunch arrived. Three this time, young fit men who eagerly awaited me showing them the path to Shotgun Enlightment. The bloom left the rose quickly as they realized that meant doing it MY way, not how they figured it should be.

After showing each of them the proper stance at least three times, two were still doing that sideways thing. One with mixed eye hand dominance was steadily missing with dogged determination, and ALL, despite several efforts on my part, were sticking their index finger into the trigger guard as far as possible and yanking away merrily.None of these broke 50% either.

American males believe themselves to be great shooters, drivers and lovers. Can't say much about that third, but considering how the average US male shoots and drives, I understand why the divorce rate is so high.

I still can't figure out if the Knucklehead Gene is Y chromosome linked, but by G*d a connection is highly probable.

I'd really like to figure out why the average guy needs a 2X4 betwixt his eyes to get his attention when he's making a mistake.

Maybe the radfemlibbers have it right and Testosterone limits intelligence. I know this, teaching shotgunning to a bunch of rookies have shown me there's two types of problem students.

The first one is any female who's been told she couldn't do something so many times she believes it or that there's Men Only things.

The second is male.

I'd rather teach a roomful of women than a similar number of men. A lot less frustrating and much better progress gets made.

Now I'm off to PGC again for some trap practice. Wish me well....
 
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A followup....

Went back and had a good time, though some evil little clays did escape my wrath. No rookies today, had a word before leaving with an Asst Manager, about issuing long heavy guns with way too much stock to pixie newbies.

While breaking in between rounds I was approached by a young man. After shaking hands, he reminded me I had helped him and friends a couple weeks past and came over to thank me again. That made it worthwhile again....
 
Dave,
First I admire the teaching you do both on the range and here on THR.
Second, men are a pain in the butt, and I are one...so I should know.
Young male kids are ok, with puberty comes the "John Wayne Syndrome", can't prove it medically, but someday science will prove this theory correct.

I'd rather teach the ladies, whole lot better looking for starters, but they do listen, and I do believe the genders are "wired" different, the gals have some really good motor skills, sense of perception. Less wax and no hair in the ears too...must aid in the hearing dept. too.

A lady will say "I" messed up, "I" don't know. Males blame the guns, and everything else...and spend monies to buy skill and scores.

I agree, many ranges that rent guns really need to pay attention to the new and younger shooters. If a newbie has a bad experince (recoil for one) they may forever be lost as a shooter. Shorter stocks, youth stocks, gas guns in 20 ga, even a O/U in 28 would be well worth the investment, IMO.
 
Thanks, 73.

Women,as a group,have better eye/hand co-ordination,co-operate and obey better.
AND THEY LISTEN.

BTW, the AM denied wrongdoing, said the male accompanying that small female insisted she shoot the big auto. Not sure I believe him. They do have a 20 gauge 391 with shorter stock, it would have been worlds better for her and for most other female tyros.
 
I'd rather teach a roomful of women than a similar number of men. A lot less frustrating and much better progress gets made.

I will give you a hearty AMEN on that brother Dave!!!!! Women make FAR better students.
 
That first time shooting can be a 'make or break' situation in regards to whether they like it or not... could make the difference in whether or not there is a second time shooting.

Keep up the good fight!
 
Luckily at 33 my testoserone level has dropped enough I like as much help as I can get (and Dave's advice has certainly improved my shotgunning). I've noted at least at handgun training that at the end of the day the guys tend to still be shooting better than the gals, BUT the womens scores virtually always dramtically increased with proper instruction while guys just keep shooting the same score over and over no matter what they are told.

But before we get too harsh gotta remember there is a reason we're not still living in nicely decorated caves, or under the English and concepts like "obey" and "Do it my way" ain't it ;)
 
My daughter will be raised such that nothing "can't" be done because girls don't do that. I will make every effort that she is exposed to many activities, including shooting, and if she chooses to partcipate in anything I will support her and if she doesn't that is fine as long as she learned something.

I listened to the experienced people at my local range and was able to improve my score the following round and also from shot to shot during my last round. If you can't take instruction or accept constructive criticism you will not be very good at learning anything in my opinion.
 
Thanks, folks. A couple items...

H, sometimes, the progress can be amazing. And, in all the years I taught for the state, I never had a female do a Wesley Snipes and hold a handgun sideways.

I recall only one ND by a female, and a handful by males.

I also recall a plethora of cases where women outshot supposed men and saw the males cop serious 'tudes. Our egos are SOOOoo fragile.

Sven, that's what drives me crazy about this. No chance on Earth she's looking forward to the next session IF there is one. Get them hooked and hurtless on the first try,they'll be back.
 
An old shooting instructor once observed that it is better to teach women in groups, men individually and under no circumstances attempt to instruct a mixed group. Generally, men are competitive (and that's a good thing IMO) and women are more collective and supportive.

But to confess, I know so much less now than I did in my 20's about damn near everything including shooting. ;)

Paul
 
Dave, thank you I was beginning to think it was me. Altough I don't instruct newbies on shooting as much as you do I have noticed the same thing. Little back ground, I am in the local rescue squad, this time of year we usually get the latest batch of newbies from the EMT classess. The males show up with the attitude that all of this "rescue stuff" is a piece of cake for them because they are males. Heaven help if they are former military (no slam to veterns), at which point they know more than you do about high level (ropes and knots) or water rescue because they learned it in the military. Excuse the rant but I just got off the phone with an instructor of a class two of my newbies where in. He said they almost know enough to be dangerous....sigh :uhoh:
 
That instructor was right, Paul. While men wrangle about who's not pullling their weight, women are picking up the brass, breaking down the targets, etc.

Rant away, Billy. you've earned it.

The USMC is a wonderful military unit, but they must turn off a switch in their heads at Parris. Gyrenes are great to work with in Correctional facilities but plain H*ll to teach.

The older I get the more I know I don't know.
 
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