Snubby Curiosity

[M1key]

I have a different perspective after my wife was violently assaulted in broad daylight in downtown Denver. Glad I had 10 rounds of .45 caliber Gold Dots in that Glock 30.

Oh, here's some relevant data:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...liminary-semiannual-crime-statistics-for-2016

And John Guandolo former FBI Terrorism expert has something to say about jihadist cells in America: https://www.understandingthethreat.com/

Good luck out there

M

 

[John_R]

What happened to shot placement, training, and practice?

 

[BSA1]

"Anyone who thinks that a Beretta 92FS is a comfortable EDC gun for most people is out of touch with most people. If it works for you, great, but it's downright silly to think that most people would be happy with a 92FS or Glock 17 as their EDC gun."

Carrying a full-size pistol requires dressing differently when carrying concealed. For open carry attire doesn't matter.

The mistake many people make is they do not buy high quality holster and a good stiff belt when they buy a gun. For some reason people will spend big bucks for a high quality gun but only spend $30.00 on the holster. Then they wondered why it is not comfortable and blame the gun.

I carry my Beretta 92 in a Milt Sparks Executive Companion IWB holster. It is well designed and very comfortable.

"And once you quit comparing a S&W 642 to a Glock 17 and start comparing it to a Glock 43 (more typical of what a lot of people want as an EDC gun), the capacity advantage of the autoloader is just 15% more instead of 200% more."

Ok. So now you want to compare a the 5 round J-Frame revolver to the 7 round Glock 43. I consider 2 additional rounds to be a significant increase in firepower.

There is not any easy and practical way to carry and reload a revolver. Loose rounds are very slow, a speed strip is better and speed loaders are best. Loose rounds and speed strips can be carried in the pocket but carrying speed loaders is more difficult as they are bulky.

In addition to having 2 more rounds in the Glock carrying a spare magazine with 6 additional rounds is not only very easy and practical along with rapidly reloading the pistol. So I can shoot 13 rounds to your 5.

"As for the source of the average of 0-3 shots in a typical defensive gun usage, you've been provided with links to those studies. Repeatedly. Review the posts above."

The Armed Citizen of the American Rifleman magazine is not a valid research study. So you don't have a independent source and just are repeating what you have read and heard. (Don't take this as a personal attack. I have asked this same question on other forums and have received the same answer as yours).

 

[BSA1]

What happened to shot placement, training, and practice?

All are still there.

But how many shooting ranges allow you to practice when someone is back at you with real bullets?

 

[340PD]

Any gun is better than no gun. I have been known to carry my Kahr PM9 but I prefer the revolvers simply for the reason, a revolver is pretty much foolproof and literally anybody is capable of firing one. Small semi's are flat easy to carry but subject to malfunctions in a half dozen different ways so experience clearing and putting them back into service in a hurry is mandatory. As an RSO/instructor I see little semi's malfunction at least a dozen of times per shift. Improper slide racking, limp wristing, and guns that are ammo finicky being the most common.
All my small revolvers are equipped with lasergrips. When going for the lightest possible foolproof firearm, I carry my 340PD but I will always prefer my all steel Kimber K6s because it is carrys 6 rounds, and the same size as a S&W snubbie. I also always carry an extra speedstrip or two to top off my gun if needed.
Am I undergunned in todays world? Probably, but my commitment is to me and my family so I have learned to keep my head on a swivel and If I am walking in a amber situation, my gun is already in my hand in my pocket.

 

[BSA1]

"Anyone who thinks that a Beretta 92FS is a comfortable EDC gun for most people is out of touch with most people."

Maybe you are the one out of touch with us;

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/heavy-hitter-carry-guns.819431/

You never know if you like it until you try it.

 

[Terminatorret]

Let me see...this thread is in the Revolvers forum with a topic of "Snubby Curiosity". Nice one sided argument for large autos, though.

 

[FL-NC]

I only use auto loaders, but the one snub revolver I did like was the SP101 in 357.

 

[Sistema1927]

Most of the time I pocket carry a Kahr PM9 w/CT and an additional 7 rd. mag. Sometimes I drop a S&W 442 and a couple of speed strips in my pockets, and then there are times, like today, that I carry a KT P32 and an extra mag because I am wearing lightweight shorts.

I find that this is adequate, especially since I try to always avoid the "4 Stupids":

Stupid Things
Stupid People
Stupid Places
Stupid Times

 

[bannockburn]

Sistema1927

Most of the time I pocket carry a Kahr PM9 w/CT and an additional 7 rd. mag. Sometimes I drop a S&W 442 and a couple of speed strips in my pockets, and then there are times, like today, that I carry a KT P32 and an extra mag because I am wearing lightweight shorts.

Sounds a lot like my CCW rotation only I have a Kahr CM9, a S&W Model 638, and a KelTec P3AT. Great minds think alike!

 

[Mitlov]

"Anyone who thinks that a Beretta 92FS is a comfortable EDC gun for most people is out of touch with most people."

Maybe you are the one out of touch with us;

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/heavy-hitter-carry-guns.819431/

You never know if you like it until you try it.

Yeah, I tried it. I used to own a 1911. Wasn't for me. Maybe because this isn't a one-size-fits-all world. You don't see 642 owners coming into Beretta 92FS threads and saying every Beretta 92FS owner should be carrying a snubbie...why do the same thing in a thread specifically dedicated to snubnose revolvers?

 

[SteadyD]

"Anyone who thinks that a Beretta 92FS is a comfortable EDC gun for most people is out of touch with most people."

Maybe you are the one out of touch with us;

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/heavy-hitter-carry-guns.819431/

You never know if you like it until you try it.

I'd say the majority of folks that carry an auto are carrying single stacks or sub compact double stacks, as evidenced by the top 5 sellers on Gunbroker for the last few years. Typically 4 of the 5 are single stack 9s or 380s of the pocket sized variety. Sure, some people carry a full size pistol, but it isn't the majority.

 

[NMPOPS]

The short, two finger grips that are on the 442 and 642 are easy for pocket carry. I usually associate boot grip to indicate a three finger grip like that which is standard on a model 60. Maybe I am incorrect in referring to a 3 finger grip as a boot grip?

A boot grip does not cover either the bottom of the frame or the back strap. It just fills in the area behind the trigger like the Tyler T. You wrap your pinkey under the frame.
Check out the boot grips at Altamont.com

 

[cfullgraf]

I've done some window shopping and this is what I have come up with. I can get a basic 642 for around 350, i can get the performance center version for around 500 or or a basic version with a laser grip installed for about the same price as the performance center version. Lots of choices out there. I am looking at the 442 and 642 and LCR.

There is a 442 Pro model in 38 Special that the cylinder is cut to accept moon clips. After I bought one to try, I liked the moon clips that I had two or my other J-frames modified to accept moon clips.

The moon clips add another method of charging the pistol as you can still use individual rounds, speed strips and speed loaders.

Mood clipped ammunition is handier for reloading than speed loaders and a bit trimmer as well. But they are not as slim for carry as speed strips although moon clips are quicker to reload.

 

[azrn]

I am with you m1key. I also use a glock 30. my spare mag holds 13 rounds. back up gun is a snub nose 357.