Ghost Walker
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SureThing .... said:
Suggest you seek professional counseling!
What's a Spartan CZ 75, anyway?
So I left Glocks...any others?
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Suggest you seek professional counseling!
What's a Spartan CZ 75, anyway?
stevereno1
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Colts and kimbers are what you show to your friends, Glocks are what you show to your enemies.
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Yep, another ex-Glocker here.
Had a G-23 for over 10 years, and a G-19 for several years.
I instituted a policy about two years back--if I don't carry it or shoot it regularly, it's gone.
The Glocks were too fat to carry and I have others I shoot better, so they were relegated to safe queen status.
Now they are in someone else's safe.
When Prez Barack outlaws anything that accepts a 10-round mag a year from a year from now, I'll probably regret selling them, but only because they'll double in value.
Had a G-23 for over 10 years, and a G-19 for several years.
I instituted a policy about two years back--if I don't carry it or shoot it regularly, it's gone.
The Glocks were too fat to carry and I have others I shoot better, so they were relegated to safe queen status.
Now they are in someone else's safe.
When Prez Barack outlaws anything that accepts a 10-round mag a year from a year from now, I'll probably regret selling them, but only because they'll double in value.
Tacbandit
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Quote:
"Colts and kimbers are what you show to your friends, Glocks are what you show to your enemies."
stevereno1,.......Well said, my friend..."Pretty" guns are just that...I'll take a glock over anything else for dependability, any day...I own some of those more expensive guns...but if that's the only reason we have them is to show them off...we need to rethink some things...
"Colts and kimbers are what you show to your friends, Glocks are what you show to your enemies."
stevereno1,.......Well said, my friend..."Pretty" guns are just that...I'll take a glock over anything else for dependability, any day...I own some of those more expensive guns...but if that's the only reason we have them is to show them off...we need to rethink some things...
Tom Krein
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I actually went the other way! I used to carry 1911's, CZ-75's, H&K P7's, Kahrs, and many different wheel guns for CCW.
Not anymore. While I feel the Glocks are not nice to look at they are all about function! I CCW a Glock of one kind or another every day! Usually my Glock 20.
I recently sent my Glock 20 and 21 off to have the grip reduced and the angle changed to be more similar to the grip angle of a 1911 as that is what I learned on and am used to. Should be even better.
BTW good choices on your guns. I still have my wheel guns and 1911's just don't rely on the for EDC.
Tom
Not anymore. While I feel the Glocks are not nice to look at they are all about function! I CCW a Glock of one kind or another every day! Usually my Glock 20.
I recently sent my Glock 20 and 21 off to have the grip reduced and the angle changed to be more similar to the grip angle of a 1911 as that is what I learned on and am used to. Should be even better.
BTW good choices on your guns. I still have my wheel guns and 1911's just don't rely on the for EDC.
Tom
ultramag44
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I went to a gun show last weekend. on both days there were guys walking around trying to unload Glocks, trying to unload lots of Glocks!
kcshooter
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Please.
My Colts and Kimber are completely problem free and totally reliable. Why wouldn't I want to carry something that not only looks good but functions perfectly? So your Glock works. Big deal. That's what all guns are supposed to do.
MacTech
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I used to be a Glock basher, couldn't understand how anyone could like "Tactical Tupperware" polymer guns, they were blocky, unstylish, and "dangerous" due to the lack of a manual safety....
I've owned and sold a variety of handguns, a Ruger Mark II, Taurus 689, Ruger GP-100, Taurus PT-99AF, all have been used, enjoyed, and sold when I got bored with them, Glock wasn't on my radar until recently, when I purchased a 21
I'm still amazed at it's utter reliability, no matter what you throw at it, if you pull the trigger, it goes *bang*, it's been 100% reliable, eats whatever I feed it, and comes back asking for more, it has the softest, most manageable recoil of any of my guns, and is an absolute dream to shoot, not to mention impressively accurate....
It's a gun I can count on to work when I need it, no matter what, flawless reliability....
that said, it's got no "soul" or "personality", a Glock is an appliance, nothing more, it does what it's designed to do with no fuss, simple, efficient, and reliable, anything that does not increase reliability or functionality is irrelavent, it's a bullet launcher, nothing more, it doesn't pretend to be, it's the distillation of a gun as a simple tool, it's absolutely generic and mundane, no personality, no character, no "soul"
and there's nothing wrong with that
now, my Tanfoglio Witness, OTOH, has it's own little quirks, it's got bullets it likes, ones it dislikes, it's own little personality, it's looks are a hybridization of a 1911, a BHP, and a little Beretta mixed in, it loves ball ammo, and is noncommital on HP, sure, it'll eat them, but it'd be happier with ball ammo
the Witness is more stylish than the G21, and has that wonderfully comfy grip that feels like it was molded to fit my hand, and has a slightly higher round capacity, but it's a little fussier.....
I like 'em both, they both have their uses, as Sal Glesser of Spyderco is noted for saying, they're "all good, just different", there's room in my collection for both
I've owned and sold a variety of handguns, a Ruger Mark II, Taurus 689, Ruger GP-100, Taurus PT-99AF, all have been used, enjoyed, and sold when I got bored with them, Glock wasn't on my radar until recently, when I purchased a 21
I'm still amazed at it's utter reliability, no matter what you throw at it, if you pull the trigger, it goes *bang*, it's been 100% reliable, eats whatever I feed it, and comes back asking for more, it has the softest, most manageable recoil of any of my guns, and is an absolute dream to shoot, not to mention impressively accurate....
It's a gun I can count on to work when I need it, no matter what, flawless reliability....
that said, it's got no "soul" or "personality", a Glock is an appliance, nothing more, it does what it's designed to do with no fuss, simple, efficient, and reliable, anything that does not increase reliability or functionality is irrelavent, it's a bullet launcher, nothing more, it doesn't pretend to be, it's the distillation of a gun as a simple tool, it's absolutely generic and mundane, no personality, no character, no "soul"
and there's nothing wrong with that
now, my Tanfoglio Witness, OTOH, has it's own little quirks, it's got bullets it likes, ones it dislikes, it's own little personality, it's looks are a hybridization of a 1911, a BHP, and a little Beretta mixed in, it loves ball ammo, and is noncommital on HP, sure, it'll eat them, but it'd be happier with ball ammo
the Witness is more stylish than the G21, and has that wonderfully comfy grip that feels like it was molded to fit my hand, and has a slightly higher round capacity, but it's a little fussier.....
I like 'em both, they both have their uses, as Sal Glesser of Spyderco is noted for saying, they're "all good, just different", there's room in my collection for both
dasmi
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Actually, I've come back to Glocks. My life is better now.
Smaug
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I had a Glock 34. I had wanted one (a 17) for my whole childhood. Finally, I was old enough and had enough money. I bought it.
I shot the hell out of it for a month or three. It shot OK and was reliable. But like you said, when not actually shooting, it was just boring. I'm an engineer, shame on me for feeling this way?
But I finally gave in and sold it. Even my Ruger P90 had more charm.
Instead of the Glock, I now have a Bersa 380 and a Ruger SP-101.
I'm also with you on the other issue. Although I have come to the conclusion that they're not for me, I can sure appreciate their strengths.
I may have another one some day. But it may be a while, as there are so many other guns out there with more svelte shapes to them.
We just bought a Daly Hi Power for my wife. I just love this gun too. So slim & easy to shoot well.
I shot the hell out of it for a month or three. It shot OK and was reliable. But like you said, when not actually shooting, it was just boring. I'm an engineer, shame on me for feeling this way?
But I finally gave in and sold it. Even my Ruger P90 had more charm.
Instead of the Glock, I now have a Bersa 380 and a Ruger SP-101.
I'm also with you on the other issue. Although I have come to the conclusion that they're not for me, I can sure appreciate their strengths.
I may have another one some day. But it may be a while, as there are so many other guns out there with more svelte shapes to them.
We just bought a Daly Hi Power for my wife. I just love this gun too. So slim & easy to shoot well.
loop
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I used to have a dozen Glocks. Now I don't have any. It isn't because I set out to rid myself of Glocks, but because I had something that worked better in each format than the Glock.
I have 1911s, CZs, Tanfoglios, Kahrs, Walthers, SIGs and Makarovs that all fit the bill better than any Glock. The Kahr has so much smoother a trigger pull than the Glock it is ridiculous. It may be long, but it is smooth and breaks when you expect it to break.
The 1911s are just so much more accurate and fit so much better there is no contest.
The CZs/Tanfoglios fit my hand so much better and as per accuracy - Glocks are not even in the same ballpark.
In terms of reliability, every auto I own is as reliable as a Glock. The 1911 built its reputation on reliability.
I just don't see any advantage to carrying a Glock. They are no more reliable than a number of other types. They are not as accurate as many other types. They offer no significant weight advantage over many other guns. What makes them so great?
I shoot IDPA twice a month (year around). I've seen four pistols become unusable this year. Two were Springfield Armory 1911s (a brand I am not fond of) and two Glocks become unserviceable. They were the only ones that had to be brought off the firing line. I'm the RO. I know which ones were DQ'd.
I simply have no use for a Glock. There is something else out there that will do the same job better. I'll admit most of them cost more, but that isn't the question. For the most part they're better than a Ruger, but that isn't saying much.
I have 1911s, CZs, Tanfoglios, Kahrs, Walthers, SIGs and Makarovs that all fit the bill better than any Glock. The Kahr has so much smoother a trigger pull than the Glock it is ridiculous. It may be long, but it is smooth and breaks when you expect it to break.
The 1911s are just so much more accurate and fit so much better there is no contest.
The CZs/Tanfoglios fit my hand so much better and as per accuracy - Glocks are not even in the same ballpark.
In terms of reliability, every auto I own is as reliable as a Glock. The 1911 built its reputation on reliability.
I just don't see any advantage to carrying a Glock. They are no more reliable than a number of other types. They are not as accurate as many other types. They offer no significant weight advantage over many other guns. What makes them so great?
I shoot IDPA twice a month (year around). I've seen four pistols become unusable this year. Two were Springfield Armory 1911s (a brand I am not fond of) and two Glocks become unserviceable. They were the only ones that had to be brought off the firing line. I'm the RO. I know which ones were DQ'd.
I simply have no use for a Glock. There is something else out there that will do the same job better. I'll admit most of them cost more, but that isn't the question. For the most part they're better than a Ruger, but that isn't saying much.
RX-178
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I purchased a Glock 17L recently, for a variety of reasons.
First of all, at the time my only 9mm pistol was a Kel-Tec PF-9. Not something you'd feed ammo regularly at the range.
Second, I had (and still have) a Kel-Tec Sub2000 in 9mm, and had a supply of 17 and 33rd Glock mags already as a result.
Third, it still had to be the relatively uncommon 17L if I was going to justify it to my gun-collector side.
I'm probably going to get a CCF race frame for it soon. Glock grip angles always bothered me a little.
I /may/ get a Glock 21SF in the future, but then again, I might not.
First of all, at the time my only 9mm pistol was a Kel-Tec PF-9. Not something you'd feed ammo regularly at the range.
Second, I had (and still have) a Kel-Tec Sub2000 in 9mm, and had a supply of 17 and 33rd Glock mags already as a result.
Third, it still had to be the relatively uncommon 17L if I was going to justify it to my gun-collector side.
I'm probably going to get a CCF race frame for it soon. Glock grip angles always bothered me a little.
I /may/ get a Glock 21SF in the future, but then again, I might not.
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1) If the grip angle on any handgun "messes you up", you need to practice *correctly* more frequently.
2) If you think small groups are the object, then you're playing a game called target shooting. This is just fine, but there are better guns for the sport. However, Glocks are weapons intended for fighting; owning such implies that.
If you're doing IDPA, which requires combat shooting, then see #1.
3) If you think a weapon "has a soul" or "needs a soul"...get a grip. It's a GUN. It is not a person and certainly is not a religious icon. If your weapon talks to you, you need to go to the hospital.
It's a tool. That's it.
If I'm in a gun fight and you run up with your (insert opposing fanboy gun brand here), I'm not going to argue with you...I'm only concerned with your hits on bad guys.
4) If you're buying guns because "they look neat" or "are stylish", then you're playing around.
Again, this is just fine so long as it's kept in the context and not passed off as some sort of fighting tool. I have guns that are designated "fun" only...and I don't carry them. Fun is good; just keep it in perspective.
A good, used fighting 1911 or Glock just isn't going to look great. If it's pristine, then you're not really using it hard in training. I would question such a person's proficiency in combat handgun skills (it's more than just shooting).
5) If you're worried about the finish: it's not a fighting gun. If you want to collect a weapon...go for it...keep that finish pristine. It's important for the financial and historical value of the weapon. But, please don't pretend it's a fighting tool.
Again, all is well...some folks take their guns out only on the weekend.
2) If you think small groups are the object, then you're playing a game called target shooting. This is just fine, but there are better guns for the sport. However, Glocks are weapons intended for fighting; owning such implies that.
If you're doing IDPA, which requires combat shooting, then see #1.
3) If you think a weapon "has a soul" or "needs a soul"...get a grip. It's a GUN. It is not a person and certainly is not a religious icon. If your weapon talks to you, you need to go to the hospital.
It's a tool. That's it.
If I'm in a gun fight and you run up with your (insert opposing fanboy gun brand here), I'm not going to argue with you...I'm only concerned with your hits on bad guys.
4) If you're buying guns because "they look neat" or "are stylish", then you're playing around.
Again, this is just fine so long as it's kept in the context and not passed off as some sort of fighting tool. I have guns that are designated "fun" only...and I don't carry them. Fun is good; just keep it in perspective.
A good, used fighting 1911 or Glock just isn't going to look great. If it's pristine, then you're not really using it hard in training. I would question such a person's proficiency in combat handgun skills (it's more than just shooting).
5) If you're worried about the finish: it's not a fighting gun. If you want to collect a weapon...go for it...keep that finish pristine. It's important for the financial and historical value of the weapon. But, please don't pretend it's a fighting tool.
Again, all is well...some folks take their guns out only on the weekend.
possum
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i had a 19 with xs sights, and i liked it, but there is no gun that i shoot better than my xd's therefore i am an xd guy and will continue to stay such until i find that the xd is not suitable for me and my needs, so far that hasn't happened yet.
I have quite a few Glocks and shot a lot of ammo through them. Lately I am more into accuracy than into speed and dug out my old S&W M14-2 and acquired a Korth and a SIG P210-4.
That does not mean that I think less highly of the Glocks and they are far from retired.
That does not mean that I think less highly of the Glocks and they are far from retired.
stevereno1
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I actually think that the cz line of pistols are the ugliest that I have ever seen. 1911's are beautiful, and Glocks remind me of a muscle car, like a gto judge, or a chevelle. Big, bulky, powerful, and all business. bTW, I target shoot with my kimber classic custom pretty regularly, i keep her clean, and take pride in her, but she sleeps in the safe, next to my colt Anaconda, and several of my other "fun" guns. My G-27however, rests on top of the safe waiting while I sleep, and comes with me almost everywhere I go
WoofersInc
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For a little while I avoided Glocks. Then I figured if I was going to call myself a gun collector I needed to have some Glocks in the mix. I bought a 17 Longslide, a 24 Longslide, and a 31. About then I shot my first XD and decided that I liked those better and haven't bought anymore Glocks. Still have those 3 in my safe though. And I have since moved on to 1911's which is where I am currently stuck at.
sounds like you might want to look at the post-recall Ruger SR9 (don't be put off by the recall, they just ended up making it better...), you should handle one and fire one if you can... in my opinion it's got all of the great qualities of my Glock's intact (lightness, reliability), yet it feels and points right and doesn't look like a brick.
it's slimmer than a 1911, but holds 17+1, and even has a honest to goodness thumb safety (that you don't have to use if you don't want to since the trigger has a strangely almost lawsuit-worthy glock-like trigger, except the trigger action is far and away better in every way than any Glock i've ever fired). in fact, all the controls are the same layout as an 1911, except it comes ambi stock. i own a G17 and a G19 that will be going away soon due to it's performance rendering them unexpectedly obsolete, and it's been more reliable and as good or better in accuracy than my Kimber or Sig 226. for around $400 you might want to check it out, might end up as surprised as i've been. it's a new gun so the aftermarket is just starting to support it, but it's pretty much right straight out of the box.
i posted a quick range report on it earlier today...
here's the link:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4989276#post4989276
it's slimmer than a 1911, but holds 17+1, and even has a honest to goodness thumb safety (that you don't have to use if you don't want to since the trigger has a strangely almost lawsuit-worthy glock-like trigger, except the trigger action is far and away better in every way than any Glock i've ever fired). in fact, all the controls are the same layout as an 1911, except it comes ambi stock. i own a G17 and a G19 that will be going away soon due to it's performance rendering them unexpectedly obsolete, and it's been more reliable and as good or better in accuracy than my Kimber or Sig 226. for around $400 you might want to check it out, might end up as surprised as i've been. it's a new gun so the aftermarket is just starting to support it, but it's pretty much right straight out of the box.
i posted a quick range report on it earlier today...
here's the link:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4989276#post4989276
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kcshooter
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Wrong, genius. There is a significant difference between the grip angle of a Glock and my Sigs, Cz, and 1911s, along with many others. Having to break your wrist on a "fighting gun" means it doesn't point naturally. All my other guns do. Duh.
At 20,000 rounds a year, it ain't a matter of practice.
(BTW: Some people find the Glock points more naturally and that works for them. Nothing wrong with that either.)
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outerlimit
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I hate the Block trigger and their overall blocky appearance. I'm not a Glock fan at all. In fact I really do not like them in general. However..
But there is something to be said for
1. Their reliability and quality at this price point.
2. A plastic frame when it is super cold outside.
3. A 15+1rd 10mm auto with night sights. There really is no competition to the Block 20 that I can think of.
But there is something to be said for
1. Their reliability and quality at this price point.
2. A plastic frame when it is super cold outside.
3. A 15+1rd 10mm auto with night sights. There really is no competition to the Block 20 that I can think of.
Yet again, you have to be for or against Glocks?!? They are a machine for launching projectiles, designed and built by humans for humans- thus they are fallible.
I like them because they work for me. I like 1911's, Beretta 92's and S&W revolvers too. I have found that as long as sight picture and trigger press are correct, the grip angle and trigger difference between my 1911 and Glocks is of no consequence to accuracy. I am a competitive shooter, as well as a CCW holder and I figure that if I can't hit what I'm aiming at- it is my failing, not the weapon's.
They are a machine for launching projectiles, designed and built by humans for humans- thus they are fallible. I like them because they work for me. I like 1911's, Beretta 92's and S&W revolvers too. I have found that as long as sight picture and trigger press are correct, the grip angle and trigger difference between my 1911 and Glocks is of no consequence to accuracy. I am a competitive shooter, as well as a CCW holder and I figure that if I can't hit what I'm aiming at- it is my failing, not the weapon's.
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