Don't Tread On Me said:
Thanks for advocating gun control.
Wacki said:
Did you understand anything I said? Apparently not. This is not a law. Information is on our side and we are missing a very effective method of spreading information to the right people.
Wacki said:
Why doesn't anyone push the most common sense form gun control of all? I mean I see no reason why some gun safety CD shouldn't be attached to each firearm sold.
First of all, firearm makers voluntarily provided locks on pistols before the anti-gunners made it law. Despite the virtually 100% universal providing of gun locks with pistols, the anti's wanted it made LAW.
Second, providing something to someone doesn't mean squat. The DVD will go in the garbage the same way the instruction manual did. The same instruction manual that has safety information like clean the bore out so it doesn't kaboom. FACT is, someone negligent enough to cause such accidents is not the kind of person who will gain anything from a DVD, as there are already dozens of ways in which safety information is practically shoved down their throats. Safety information is engraved and stamped into firearms!!!
Third, someone has to foot the bill. I don't feel like paying more because someone else is an idiot. Now, a DVD doesn't cost much....but the slippery slope does apply, and the anti's dream is to make gun ownership cost prohibitive or to place standards (such as testing/licensing) in the way.
Wacki said:
And for every accident we avoid, that just makes us look that much better.
The above quote is the most critical aspect of this entire thread, and why I am fundamentally against such an idea, far more so than the reasons I listed above.
I'm of the school of thought that the RKBA is my God given right. I don't give a damn how much death, destruction, ill, accidents, suffering or misuse is caused as a result of irresponsible people mishandling or abusing firearms. This will never, ever, ever be a justification or a reason for limiting or taking away my RKBA.
You may think so, and our society is biased against guns and the RKBA and that's what truly happens in practice, but I refuse to accept that. If I accept that, I'm playing their game. I'm going to change the way this country thinks by changing the way I think, and stop having an illogical bias toward the RKBA.
No one ever gets on TV or in the media and says "religion should be banned because of people like Jim Jones"....or "religion should be licensed or registered or approved prior to exercise thereof due to people like Jim Jones"....
No one says to ban free speech because someone was preaching some Aryan nation propaganda which results in the twisting of minds and results in the violent action against minorities. Guns didn't kill the Jews in the 1940's...an IDEA did. Speech was the vehicle by which ideas made it possible for 6 million people to be exterminated. No one advocates the banning of such language, speech or ideas in our country today. How's that for a logical comparison?
Why should the Second Amendment be any different? Why should I give a damn what someone thinks of "us"...whomever this "us" is? There is no "us" as in gunowners. There are only Americans with rights, and those who hate liberty.
The fundamental problem is that a bias against guns exists. All the factoids and clever slogans will not save us. The key is in getting people to understand that it is a fundamental human right, and rights are not negotiable. Rights are not subject to changes in weather. Punitive actions against my rights due to the abuse of others is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE in a free society.
Every day millions of Americans drive on the highways. Every day there are vehicular crimes, many of which results in deaths. Deaths that far outnumber firearm violence. Americans are willing to accept this death and maiming of tens of thousands every year as the "price of freedom"....but not so with firearms. Americans deal with neo-nazi trash, KKK, black panthers, eco-terrorists, NAMBLA and other scum and respect their freedom of speech, no matter how destructive, as "the price of freedom"....Well, the idiots who shoot themselves while trying to clean a gun - they are the "price of freedom"...
You people, time and time again here on THR are losing the RKBA debate by accepting the terms of the debate which the anti's frame from the start. You can call my views radical or not practical in appealing to the "middle"...but you'll never, ever win by conceding to the core beliefs of the anti's, the anti's who trap you with their national dialogs on the RKBA. These are the traps the antis set all the time.
Why do people fear making such TRUE and strong arguments for the RKBA? Do they fear that they will be viewed as irrational? LMAO! The liberal's views were viewed as irrational and insane years ago, but through persistence, they got what they wanted in society. If my views shock some moderates- GOOD. At least I got their attention. At least I put the seed of a different view in their mind. That's far better than the current mode of thinking which is the anti-gunners wanting to control guns, and the pro-gunners who agree on controlling guns less. What's the lowest common denominator? Each still results in gun control.
Look at Oleg's posters. He is the genius here. His vision for arguing the RKBA has been lost on THR. His posters are direct and strong. They make non-PC, in your face statements intended to provoke thought and questions. That is the proper response. He doesn't hide behind compromising for lesser gun-control. He doesn't have this idiotic, pro-state, pro-authority view of guns which many on THR do. It truly saddens me to see so many people (prominent members) proclaim themselves fighters for the RKBA on THR, yet they are espousing the very ideology of gun control. (not talking about you Wacki).
Sorry for going off on such a tangent. This isn't all related to some firearm safety DVD idea - but to a general set of ideas that are self-defeating to our cause.