Speedway is anti gun

[Double Naught Spy]

Well Freedom fighter. I see you own a business and you feel that you can do anything you like in your own business.

Can you keep Blacks out if you chose too?
How about smoking, are you free to light up if you chose?

As soon as you open your business to the public at large then the Govt has some way to control parts of what you do.

Yep, he can do anything he wants with his business inside of the guidelines of the law and right now the government does not disallow business owners from banning guns.

 

[BlkHawk73]

Maybe its a matter of respect of others rights.
If we are unwilling to respect the rights of others to control what goes into THEIR business, how can we be upset when someone doesn't want to respect OUR right to even own a firearm and/or carry it into places which do allow it?

Hmmm......

I'm with maggie on more than this one post. My right, my right, my right...yadda, yadda, yadda...Yes you have a right but so do others and one persons right stops where another's starts. IMO, if you are to take the responsability to carry there must be a level of maturity and with that come a level of respect. You don't grant and show that respect, you really expect others to respect your choices?

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

What I get a laugh out of is the frequent claim by some that such actions are "giving gun owners a bad name," or that "this is the sort of thing that hurts our rights," etc. When the entire discussion centers on concealed carrying of a personal defensive arm -- absent any knowledge by the store owner or anyone else -- such claims are absurd in the extreme. Heated, rhetorical window dressing to add inappropriate emotional weight to a weak argument. (Actually a kind of logical fallacy known as an "Appeal to Fear.")

Well for one, if you go back to the OP you will see this was started about OPEN CARRY not concealed. For 2 I personally do feel that people that disregard others rights in favor of their rights actually does give us as gun owners a bad name. It is by far in no way absurd. I respect others rights and I expect others to respect mine. What I don't respect are those that feel that their rights are in any way more important than mine.

As far as the Civil rights comment, Again I post "Management reserves the right to refuse service" Seen in 99% of stores nationwide. If open or CCW was permitted here in IL I would have no problem with it whatsoever. You could bet my .45 would be a fixture on my side as well. The ONLY problem I have is with these people that flat out refuse to respect ones rights to control their own property in a manner that suits THEM. It doesn't mean a tinkers damn if we agree with his/her policies or politics. What matters is that it is THEIR property and THEIR rules PERIOD. And it is a sorry attitude when people say "screw them Ill carry if I want to".

 

[Matthew in Wisconsin]

Carrying a gun into a business

We all need to agree that EVERYONE has rights. A citizen has the right not to feel threatened by another carying a gun in a provocative manner. I work weekends in a auto parts store. A customer came in looking for a part that can't possibly be on the car he says it is on; (single cam parts on a DOHC Pontiac Sunfire). He responds by saying that I think he is stupid, then allows his jacket to open enough that I notice a holster.

What do I do? Now that I am convinced that he is indeed stupid and armed, what do I do? Although he has not actually threatened me, no words or direct actions, but... he seriously wants to argue about a car part that doesn't exist on his car. This isn't the movies. And I'm not Dirty Harry. And saying that I should have been carring a gun is childish bravado, not to mention that I don't want to be carrying a gun around to defend myself from people that feel the need to carry a gun around to defend themselves from people that have a right to carry... on and on and on...

At that point, standing across the counter from this nutcase, I'd like to take your rights to carry a gun into a store and deleted -- <Sam>.

Instead, I looked up the parts for a different engine than what he insisted he had. Ordered the parts and told him he didn't have to pay for them until he picked them up. Because hopefully, I won't be working that day.

So you want to be able to carry your gun into where I work... eh? Because you have rights?

 

[MinnMooney]

I just sent a rather lengthy letter to Speedy/SuperAmerica. If I receive a reply, I'll post it here but it'll probably be the form letter that has already been posted.

 

[Sam1911]

I respect others rights and I expect others to respect mine. What I don't respect are those that feel that their rights are in any way more important than mine.

(Emphasis added.)

And yet, this is a wholly unreasonable expectation. It is universally understood (at least here among the "gun community") that no person with ill intent (robber, murderer, terrorist, etc.) is going to respect your "no firearms" sign. Certainly not when they'd respect no LAW of man (or higher/other law) against their actual criminal actions. So, on the very face of your argument, expecting to have your wishes respected is absurd.

Now, what then of the "ethical, upright, moral, law-abiding citizen?" I suppose he/she is to hold the high moral ground, acquiesce to your request, and disarm ... i.e.: submit to those villains so rude as to have ignored your sign? So you would demand "respect" in the form of disarmament ONLY from those who wouldn't harm you for all the world.

(Yes, I understand that YOU, personally, would never post your business, but I'm using "you" for the sake of convenience.)

It would make me happy to be able to "respect" others by honoring every wish they have. Obviously this is impossible with so many conflicting wishes in the world. I have to pick and choose which wishes I will fulfill and which I won't.

But I don't carry a defensive sidearm for some frivolous reason. My reason for carrying a gun is more important (INFINITELY more important) to me than the ephemeral (and ultimately pointless) "respect" I could show someone else by NOT carrying it. Especially as my refusal to "respect" them causes not the slightest harm to them, (COULD actually be of some benefit), and will never be known to them.

As I've said before, I could choose to "respect" the business owner by causing him as much financial distress as possible (not patronizing, writing letters, staging boycotts, etc.) -- and I certainly would in many cases -- but those aren't always going to be the choices I make.


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(Yes, the original poster mentioned Open Carry, but there is no stated differentiation in his question or in the store policy that they only prohibit Open or Concealed, so there's no reason to try and hang the conversation up on that. Besides, a store that prohibits guns can tell someone Open Carrying to leave at any time, or not to enter in the first place, and have trespass law come into play. Moot point.)

 

[EddieNFL]

We all need to agree that EVERYONE has rights. A citizen has the right not to feel threatened by another carying a gun in a provocative manner. I work weekends in a auto parts store. A customer came in looking for a part that can't possibly be on the car he says it is on; (single cam parts on a DOHC Pontiac Sunfire). He responds by saying that I think he is stupid, then allows his jacket to open enough that I notice a holster.

What do I do? Now that I am convinced that he is indeed stupid and armed, what do I do? Although he has not actually threatened me, no words or direct actions, but... he seriously wants to argue about a car part that doesn't exist on his car. This isn't the movies. And I'm not Dirty Harry. And saying that I should have been carring a gun is childish bravado, not to mention that I don't want to be carrying a gun around to defend myself from people that feel the need to carry a gun around to defend themselves from people that have a right to carry... on and on and on...

At that point, standing across the counter from this nutcase, I'd like to take your rights to carry a gun into a store and deleted -- <Sam>.

Instead, I looked up the parts for a different engine than what he insisted he had. Ordered the parts and told him he didn't have to pay for them until he picked them up. Because hopefully, I won't be working that day.

So you want to be able to carry your gun into where I work... eh? Because you have rights?

Try a different bait.

 

[Sam1911]

We all need to agree that EVERYONE has rights. A citizen has the right not to feel threatened by another carying a gun in a provocative manner.

Absolutely! Someone threatening another by provocatively exposing a gun is breaking the law in almost all states. Utterly unacceptable behavior, unworthy of anyone.

What do I do? Now that I am convinced that he is indeed stupid and armed, what do I do? Although he has not actually threatened me, no words or direct actions, but... saying that I should have been carring a gun is childish bravado...

This is more of a Strategy & Tactics discussion, but I'd say you handled the situation pretty well. Simply SEEING a gun shouldn't have unnerved you especially, but taking notice of it is good "Situational Awareness." Of course, you have no way of knowing if he really had the right to carry a gun. He may have been a convicted felon unlawfully in possession of it. He may indeed have been a criminal with a history of violent crime. (Or he could be a cop. They've been known to have hard days and not exactly be easy to get along with. ) Hard to say. Being prepared for whatever violence someone may present is EXACTLY why it makes very good sense to be armed whenever possible.

Should you have drawn on him? Obviously not. He really did nothing more than argue a mistaken point. That's no crime. Even being resentful and wrongly assured of himself is not a crime. Unless faced with immediate lethal violence, you cannot lawfully draw a gun, let alone fire at him. You used social skills to defray whatever situation might have happened. That's awesome!

At that point, standing across the counter from this nutcase, I'd like to take your rights to carry a gun into a store and deleted -- <Sam>.

So based on the actions of ONE IDIOT, you'd condemn the entire population of folks who carry guns? That's probably to be expected, but it's disappointing. How many of your regular customers carry guns? (O.k. that's not fair. You have no idea.) Depending on your state it could be very few or up nearly 1 in 10. I'll assume you've never noticed unsociable behavior from them before. Just this once, and it didn't turn out to be more than an uncomfortable moment.

Instead, I looked up the parts for a different engine than what he insisted he had. Ordered the parts and told him he didn't have to pay for them until he picked them up. Because hopefully, I won't be working that day.

Errrr... okay. Hope that works out for you -- and your co-workers.

 

[basicblur]

At that point, standing across the counter from this nutcase, I'd like to take your rights to carry a gun into a store and deleted -- <Sam>.

Really?
And if your dazzling young urbanite customer that is brandishing starts shooting, mebbe you'd wish one of your law-abiding customers had a gun to help you out a bit?

'Course, you could just put up a no guns allowed sign-no doubt your "nutcase" would have honored it! :banghead:

 

[MinnMooney]

Got a reply from SA/Speedy/SuperAmerica

Here is the full text of SA's reply with my original letter at the bottom :

October 21, 2010

Dear Mr. Brody,

This is an acknowledgement of your E-mail with regard to our company
firearms policy. While Speedway SuperAmerica respects your right to bare
arms we must also comply with Ohio Law. Speedway SuperAmerica does not
prohibit customers from legally carrying concealed weapons in our stores
that do not possess a "D Permit" liquor license.

We currently have 10 stores located in Ohio that do have "D Permits".
Concealed firearms are banned by law in premises for which a D permit
has been issued.

Thank you for taking the time to write us. We are always interested in
hearing from our customers whatever the reason.


Sincerely,
Linda
Speedway SuperAmerica LLC Customer Service

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:19 PM
To: Customer Service, SSA
Subject: Feedback From Speedway.com Sent to: Other

Name: Carlton Brody
Email: [email protected]
Phone: () -Ext.
Address1:
Address2:
City:
State: MN
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Comments: I have purchased fuel and misc at many SA stations in the
past but never noticed the "No Guns or dangerous weapons allowed" sign.
Since I carry 100% of the time, I find that I can no longer do business
with your stores. This is certainly not a hardship on me (or you, I'm
sure) as there is usually a Holiday or BP on the opposing corner.

One day I overheard some wicked looking thugs who were about to go
into an SA station but they stopped short and said, "Looks like we've
got to go across the street and rob the Lowes store instead 'cause this
SA station doesn't allow guns on their property. How can we rob this
place if we can't have a gun inside?" So... I guess your policy really
works well.

Carlton B.

10/20/2010 7:18:54 PM