Speedway is anti gun

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Thankyou BlkHawk, very good point. How many of you folks tell your boss "to hell with what you want on YOUR property Ill carry wherever I damn well please because I have the 2a on my side" NONE thats how many!!! Now granted I DO see your points plainly and clearly, and agree with them for the MOST PART. What I do NOT agree with is some of you folks snubbing your nose at OTHERS rights in favor of you carrying. Again I'll say it, if I don't want someone carrying a weapon in my business I have EVERY right to turn them away. Plain and simple, and no soapbox standing judge will be able to change my mind about that.

Now with all that being said, I don't turn away legally carrying folks nor would I. I am stressing the point that I DO have EVERY legal right to do so just as you have EVERY legal right to not shop there!
 
As a business owner, I have the right to say no to any damn body I want to and if I don't want guns in my store then by God I don't have to. My damn property, my damn rules.
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Somehow I just knew you were a business owner... :banghead:

And despite what Napolitano says (although I think he hit the nail on the head), I might agree with you if you were to open your business out in the sticks on your own land, not taking advantage of the services paid for by taxpayers (roads, traffic control, fire protection, etc).

If you open your business to the public at large in an area where you are afforded the benefits of taxpayer funded services in order that your business may thrive...not so much.
 
To those that turn their backs on business that don't allow firearms...can you carry at work?
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Well since I worked in a factory (that is NOT open to the general public), no, I could not carry inside the fence (parking lot was OK), and that follows with what the judge said.

Now that I'm retired, I noticed my former employer's local store had a no guns allowed sign on the door. I mentioned it to the store manager, and he told me to ignore it-it was a feel good sign ordered by corporate headquarters.
Probably full of it, but he said half the employees in the back were probably armed. :D

When I need what they sell, I'll probably buy from my former employer based on what the manager said, and the fact the sign means little under VA law.
If the sign carried the weight of law, or if the manager/company was adamant about it, unfortunately, when the time came, I'd be shopping at a competitor's store.
 
Double Naught Spy said:
The signs have nothing to do with stopping criminals. I am continually amazed by the number of pro-gun folks who cannot comprehend this notion. As noted, it does pertain to liability. If somebody is hurt by a gun that is allowed to be carried on the property, then the business may be held liable for allowing it. If there is a prohibition against guns then they are less likely to be held liable. Think back to the various stories we read over the last few years of people carrying guns and having NDs in public, of which some have resulted in injuries.

As TR noted, these policies are sometimes by formality only or the posted signs are such to have no legal value as to penal code.
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It has nothing to do with comprehension. Most honest people that work for a living don't think like lawyers or slackers looking for a windfall settlement.
 
I understand what you are saying but the sad thought about this...if I put my car into drive instead of Reverse and drive through the side of the Speedway and run down 3 patrons, is Speedway liable because they did not ban cars in their parking lot? If I drop a key chain carrying OC spray and it has a 1 in a 100 landing and goes off injuring everyone in the store will the store be sued because they did not ban OC spray? Same notion, IMO, same liability.
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Several years ago a lady sued a store and won over $1M because she tripped and fell... over her own kid. What was your question about liability again?
 
I received this reply:

October 14, 2010

Dear Mr. ******,

This is an acknowledgement of your E-mail with regard to our company
firearms policy. While Speedway SuperAmerica respects your right to bare
arms we must also comply with Ohio Law. Speedway SuperAmerica does not
prohibit customers from legally carrying concealed weapons in our stores
that do not possess a "D Permit" liquor license.

We currently have 10 stores located in Ohio that do have "D Permits".
Concealed firearms are banned by law in premises for which a D permit
has been issued.

Thank you for taking the time to write us. We are always interested in
hearing from our customers whatever the reason.


Sincerely,
Ron
Speedway SuperAmerica LLC Customer Service
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Somewhat different from the response in the OP, which I assumed was in reference to a store in KY. This response references OH, so I am considering requesting clarification, as I am in KY.
 
Bottom line for me is that if you post a sign saying that I can't have a weapon on your premisis, I am going to do my best to do what you want. I will take my business elsewhere if at all possilbe.
P.S. Don't let anyone tell you the insurance company said that they had to post the sign. I work for and have worked some of the biggest P&C companies in the US and never required anyone to post such a sign for liability reasons. We have had to ask them not to have a gun on a premisis when the owner was not there. In other words, if you the owner, wants to have a gun on the premisis, I don't care. I may ask about licensing to make sure you have knowledge, but that is about it. If I pushed it farther than that, I wouldn't write any commercial business!
 
I haven't seen any signs in my part of WV or KY. Maybe I haven't looked. I have seen open carry in WalMart in KY, no problem. I had to make a trip to the local ER while out. My wife simply asked the guard if he could secure my carry 45 and no problem. It was waiting for me when I was released, this was in WV. I carry always as we have a problem with coyotes and my little beagle would make a nice snack. I, nor anyone I know that carries has ever had a problem. I do like this part of the ole USA.
 
It has nothing to do with comprehension. Most honest people that work for a living don't think like lawyers or slackers looking for a windfall settlement.
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Okay, so some don't think like lawyers, but apparently they think like criminals as they continually argue how the sign won't stop criminals. Many apparently do think like lawyers as they claim how their rights are being violated and how property rights do not supercede individual rights. Your hardworking nonlawyers and slackers apparently don't think things through from the perspective of the business either.

Regardless of the excuse, they aren't comprehending the purpose the sign serves the business.
 
Wrote a nice note to Speedway. The nice lady responded with the following:
Dear xxx,
This is an acknowledgement of your E-mail with regard to our company
firearms policy. While Speedway SuperAmerica respects your right to bare
arms we must also comply with Ohio Law. Speedway SuperAmerica does not
prohibit customers from legally carrying concealed weapons in our stores
that do not possess a "D Permit" liquor license.

We currently have 10 stores located in Ohio that do have "D Permits".
Concealed firearms are banned by law in premises for which a D permit
has been issued.

Thank you for taking the time to write us. We are always interested in
hearing from our customers whatever the reason.


Sincerely,
Linda
Speedway SuperAmerica LLC Customer Service

For me, that is the end of the story... If Ohio law is the reason, then I can't argue with the sign. She says, Speedway respects our right to bear arms.
I like it when they talk that way....:p

P.S. Doesn't mean that I will shop there in OH or if I have to that I won't be carrying concealed.
 
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Posted sign or no sign, my gun is concealed, and you will never know I have it.
I consider my right to carry and protect myself more important than a sign.
 
Some companies (usually larger ones) post those signs to appease their insurance companies.
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True, I was always amused that when I worked at 7-11 they had a very strict no weapons policy, but then as the cop who urged me to be armed pointed out my uniform was a smock under which I could have concealed a small rocket launcher. :evil:

Had to pull once at that job, but never had to fire. Thankfully I'm much older and wiser now, but the irony still amuses me from time to time.
 
Regardless of the excuse, they aren't comprehending the purpose the sign serves the business.
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Which purpose?

1) Alienate a certain group?
2) Make another group "feel" safe?
3) Make a political statement?
4) Make their business a target?
5) Satisfy an insurance requirement (highly doubtful)?
6) Protection from lawsuits (not even)?

I suspect number three is by far the most correct answer.
 
What sign would you post to protect yourself?
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I suppose a sign made of armour plate might help protect, but I usually rely on situational awareness to protect myself and my family. The signs just reduce the liability I have for the stupid actions of others.
 
Somehow I just knew you were a business owner...

And despite what Napolitano says (although I think he hit the nail on the head), I might agree with you if you were to open your business out in the sticks on your own land, not taking advantage of the services paid for by taxpayers (roads, traffic control, fire protection, etc).

If you open your business to the public at large in an area where you are afforded the benefits of taxpayer funded services in order that your business may thrive...not so much.
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So, what you are saying is even though this person owns a business, they have to allow guns because they are near a road?

Give you a hint: businesses pay higher taxes than most people. They collect sales taxes that otherwise would not be generated. They pay property taxes — which are, in the vast majority of cases, much higher than on residential areas. They have to deal with zoning fees, inspections, and all sorts of other hidden taxes and fees. They pay for fire protection just like everyone else.

Therefore, they have more invested in the community than someone who runs a shop out of their home. Ergo, they have the same right, by your logic, to do whatever the bloody hell they please on their own property.

But then again, using public services has no bearing on the rights of individual property owners, so once again, property owners can do whatever they want within the law.

And NO, your right to carry a gun does not supersede someone else's right to conduct a legal, tax-paying business the way they wish.

If you don't like it, go somewhere else, or carry concealed and don't brag about it.

No, I'm not a business owner. I know how it works, though.
 
Give you a hint: businesses pay higher taxes than most people.
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Major snippage for the rest of it...

Businesses are also granted concessions not afforded the individual-we have a major scandal in our neck o' the woods 'bout a business being granted huge concessions-our former city manager should be prosecuted over it, but he's probably just moved on somewhere else to pull the same stunt again.

'Course, local residents will be the ones who end up picking up the tab for the overly generous concessions granted, which will more than likely never be made up for by revenues generated by said business. Heck, there's a chance they may not stick around very long, which means they will have taken the money and run, and everyday citizens will pay to clean up the mess.

That door swings both ways...
 
Well basic, last year I paid well over 100k in taxes, over 10k in licenses and fees and insurance, lord only knows how much in sales taxes id have to go over the books (something else I contribute to my community, I pay an accountant) I employ 26 people so I pay unemployment insurance. I pay more in taxes than the average person in this town makes! So do not sit there in your lazyboy and attempt to dictate to me what I can and cannot do in my OWN business because you paid a whopping 1500 in state taxes that go for the roads!!! If I say no firearms in my shop then by God I mean no firearms in my shop and I have every legal right to do so as does ANYONE ELSE! I've said it time and time again, it is people with the "I don't give a damn what you want Ill carry in YOUR store or property if I want to" attitude that cause more problems than solutions!!! Change your attitudes, and you may find that things will change to the better with that!
 
Settle, settle...

Change your attitudes
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Well I think one can read my reasoned posts (not that they may agree with 'em) and some others from folks that need to settle a bit, then decide who has an attitude? :scrutiny:
 
Have to agree with the ol' Freedom Fighter. IMHO, "my house, my rules" extends to a business that I own and operate. OTOH, it might be interesting, in a state that allows it, to obey the sign and open carry. You're not carrying concealed, so you're not violating company policy. That might confuse the cashier and if they call the cops, you can explain to them that you are, in fact, abiding by the posted policy and are not carrying a concealed weapon.
 
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