Worked up some good loads using 4831 in my .243 with 4831, thanks to a suggestion from the fabled Edward Matunas. But that large kernel extruded powder is difficult to go through the powder measure. Any suggestions for a ball powder with a burn rate close to 4831?
Spherical Powder Close to 4831 in Burning Rates?
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beatledog7
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I suggest you pay no attention to which powders are close in burn rate and stick to published load data.
Lj1941
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When you say 4831 you need to state if it is IMR 4831 or H 4831. They are different animals. If by chance you have been using H 4831- Hodgdon makes a short cut version H 4831 SC which is the same burn rate but more powder measure friendly.
Google "Powder Burn Rate Chart" and you should get several hits to compare. Before you buy a ball powder, read THIS:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/powder_burn_rate.htm
I think that's what some of the other posters are trying to say, that there's more to finding another powder that's close on a burn rate chart to what you are using, and expect similar results.
IMO, if you have a load that you like, you're probably better off (time wise) pulling out your scale and weighing charges rather than working up loads with another powder that might not pan out anyway.
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http://www.chuckhawks.com/powder_burn_rate.htm
I think that's what some of the other posters are trying to say, that there's more to finding another powder that's close on a burn rate chart to what you are using, and expect similar results.
IMO, if you have a load that you like, you're probably better off (time wise) pulling out your scale and weighing charges rather than working up loads with another powder that might not pan out anyway.
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788Ham
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Like whats been told to you, you won't find a ball powder even close to HR or IMR 4831 powder! Like the guy in post #2 tried to tell you, stick with published load data ! That powder, as all powders are, is VERY unforgiving if used wrong. Take heed!
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Ramshot Hunter is fairly slow burning. I use it excluslivly for heavyweight bullets in 30-06 (semi auto) max load with a 180gr 06 is 60gr putting it right around H4831/RL19 range in real world applications. Yes I know it is advertised as a 4350 burn rate but in my experence it is a little slower. Should be darn close to ideal for 100gr 243 though a little slow for varmint weight bullets.
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20 years ago I would have said H-450, sadly, it is no longer available. Today, I suggest checking out data on Accurate MagPro, Ramshot Hunter and Ramshot Magnum. Another one to check out is Alliant's new 4000-MR. I have yet to try the 4000-MR, but have heard some good reports on it in the .243 with heavier bullets. It is also kind of a hybrid powder that should meter much better than the logs known as 4831. Another powder that you might still be able to find even though it is being discontinued is Hybrid 100-V from Hodgdon. If you could find some, some Winchester Supreme 780 might be worth a try.
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I think 780 is more of a magnum burn rate powder, along the lines of RL22. H414 is another super easy metering powder in the 4350 burn range, seems to be a little faster then Hunter but works very well for me in the lighter 30-06 bullet weights. H414 is a little less "spherical" then Hunter it is more like course sand where as Ramshot powders are like a million little ball berrings, very smooth much like H380.
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If the only reason you're looking for a different powder is poor metering change to H-4831SC. Rework your loads with published data and you will probably find those loads are extremely close in performance to your previous 4831 loads.
Like said above, H4831 and H4831 SC are the same powders except the SC version is "Short Cut" so it meters better. As a matter of fact Hodgdon doesn't list separate data for the short cut H4831, they are identical but for the length of the cut.
Like said above, H4831 and H4831 SC are the same powders except the SC version is "Short Cut" so it meters better. As a matter of fact Hodgdon doesn't list separate data for the short cut H4831, they are identical but for the length of the cut.
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Ball powders in the same neighborhood of the 4831s would be Ramshot Hunter and H414/760. H414/760 should work great in your 243. Good luck in your search.
AABEN
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Accurate 3100 XMR - WMR Winchester - Reloader 22 - N 205 Norma But you will need to look up the load data for each powder. I use Acc 4350 for all of my 243
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Thanks for the help on this. Years ago, when Accurate was made in Israel, they made some really fine powder. Don't have my '06 anymore, but I was able to put out some great loads with what I seem to remember was 2420 or 2460. Yellow bottle.
Thanks for the help on this. Years ago, when Accurate was made in Israel, they made some really fine powder. Don't have my '06 anymore, but I was able to put out some great loads with what I seem to remember was 2420 or 2460. Yellow bottle.
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I use a lot of H4831 and the SC version in .243 win, 6mm Rem, .270 win, 30-06 and 7mm RM, and probably a couple others too. The data I use with either the SC version, or the standard H4831 is the same, and performance seems no different. In fact, the two have functioned so identical, that I don't bother to differentiate between the two when purchasing.
I don't use powder measures very often, so I can't really say whether or not the SC will meter any better, but I would think it would.
GS
I don't use powder measures very often, so I can't really say whether or not the SC will meter any better, but I would think it would.
GS
788Ham said:
Don't know where you came up with this but it is simply Not correct.
Hodgdon "Superformance" and Win Supreme 780 are right next to the 4831 according to Hodgdon, both Ball/spherical powders.
Ramshot Hunter is a little faster, Ramshot Magnum and Accurate MagPro are a bit slower. All three are ball/spherical powders.
Gamestalker: Thank you for your information. I have a question: If you don't use a powder measure, how do you charge your cases? Thanks.
AlFarkle said:
One is to weight each charge on your scale. You can add the powder to the scale several different ways, one is with the Lee Scoops, then trickle in for the finished charge.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/943305/lee-improved-powder-measure-kit?cm_vc=ProductFinding
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/169955/rcbs-powder-trickler-2?cm_vc=ProductFinding
You can also go High tech and get a Powder dispenser.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/49...d-dispenser-110-220-volt?cm_vc=ProductFinding
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/77...dispenser-combo-110-volt?cm_vc=ProductFinding
Lj1941
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Burning rate charts are just an approximation for reference. Caliber and pressure can make it faster in one caliber & slower in another.
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Very true, it can be a little misleading, Hunter and IMR 4350 are supposed to be very close in "burn rate" but I can run 4gr more Hunter with a 180gr Partition and get a little more speed. Whenever you are trying to work up a load with little to no published info you HAVE to start low and work up because burn rate by itself is very deceptive.
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The closest ball powder you will find to 4831 is H414, but it is faster than 4831.
Hodgden website says this:
"H414 yields similar results to H4350 in most cartridges, although charge weights will vary."
I like H414 for mass producing 22-250 rounds for woodchuck/prairie dog hunting. It throws very accurately through a powder measure and eliminates weighing every charge. I get less than 1/10 grain variance using my Hornady powder measure. I use the same amount as 4350 with great results.
Hodgden website says this:
"H414 yields similar results to H4350 in most cartridges, although charge weights will vary."
I like H414 for mass producing 22-250 rounds for woodchuck/prairie dog hunting. It throws very accurately through a powder measure and eliminates weighing every charge. I get less than 1/10 grain variance using my Hornady powder measure. I use the same amount as 4350 with great results.
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