Starting to feel foreign, the 1911.

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Your clothes are made overseas, so is your car, TV, computer, phone, cell phone, & pretty much everything else found in a house, lots of your fruit & vegetables are imported, etc.

Time to get over it.
 
Hammerhead, you obviously aren't looking very hard. Colt and S&W are currently making 1911s.

I got over the 'buy exclusively American or you are an unpatriotic a-hole" idea a long time ago. American cars aren't. Imported cars aren't. I want the gun that WORKS. Keeping commerce exclusively within our borders isn't healthy. Allowing ourselves to be put at an economic DISADVANTAGE is unhealthy, but Armscor, Imbel, etc, aren't the companies that are doing this to us.

I carry a Kimber, but if I had to buy another 1911 today, I would look HARD at an STI Spartan.
 
That NO FOREING policy is driving me nutz.

It's not because something isn't made in your backyard that it's utter ****.
Just like cars, it's not because someone invented the car that he makes the best, forever, far from it.
From my experience, "imported" stuff doesn't hurt, at all.
 
Kimber then entered the picture and probably offers the best (quality, price, options) pistol manufactured in the U.S.
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I own a Kimber, and it is a fine gun, but I'll never buy another one until they stop using so much MIM. That's not quality!

New ones have horrible tooling marks, plastic parts (while not a bad thing, it is a deviation from the old standard that I hold them to).
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Another point I can't agree with. I bought a Colt and the first thing I did was throw the plastic MSH in the garbage where it belonged. If I pay Colt prices I want a gun without their production shortcuts in it.

I have 5 1911's, all made in the USA. Two Colts, a Kimber and two Dan Wessons.

Knowing what I know now I'd never pay American prices for any of them but the Dan Wessons, no MIM, no plastics.

But that's just me.;)
 
Hammerhead,

Colt is still selling 1911's to the public? S&W has a current lineup? I know that, at one time, they did. But I haven't seen either NIB.
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So you are saying that you have not seen any new Colt or S&W. See the links below...

http://www.coltsmfg.com/products-c5-COLT_PISTOLS.aspx

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...1&parent_category_rn=15708&top_category=15708

Both have sold quite a few 1911s in recent years and both have introduced new models of the same. To avoid seeing these a fella would have had to not read any gun mags, stayed out of gun stores, stayed away from ranges, boycotted gun shows, etc.

For a gun guy to miss these is hard to understand.

Dan Wesson is owned by CZ. Para Ord is Canadian.

More 1911s are made in the U.S. by more companies than any other single type of pistol.

tipoc
 
Now this is a bit murky. Dan Wesson is indeed owned by CZ, but can you call it a foreign gun? It was originally owned and created by an American, however I'm not sure how much has changed since CZ has bought the rights to them. So is Dan Wesson not American because a foreign company gets its profits or started using parts? Just looking to stir the pot and cause a ruckus.
 
CZ may own Dan Wesson But its all American made , And is probably the best buy in a 1911 at present time. Much better fit and finish than my Kimber. That I traded . It has beaten my Colts in accuracy, I believe for the price DW is best deal on the market
 
If I can I will buy American. That does not mean I will buy junk just to do so. I point to Colt because to me it is a 1911. I will hold the quality of the current line of Colts to those made many years ago. I was around then. I understand the difference.

I will buy the best I can for my money. I own products from around the globe and will continue to do so. I just feel I can still find quality American made products in certain products and will continue to purchase them over offshore products.

I did sell my Springfield 1911's. I bought Colts. I did have a Norinco which is/was a great product, but recently sold it to purchase an S&W Model 41 (again American made)

For what I like to shoot, I can find an American made product that fits the bill in most cases.

Now, I recently purchased another Glock, a G30 to be exact. BECAUSE, it was the best I could find to fill the need I had. I wanted a mini .45 and do not feel that mini 1911's are reliable and was not going to buy one just to buy American.

People should not assume that one comment means something it does not.
 
Once again, while not in the debate, but I feel they have strayed FAR from the original that has made them full of glory and haunt the stories of our grandparents and parents.
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Look around sometime in a gun store and you might see a Colt Model O-1918 that would change your mind. Of course, the magazines don't have lanyard loops like the originals, but they aren't too bad.

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Got bigger things to worry about than the country stamp on your firearm..

For instance, how about we contemplate how a country such as this one could have drifted away from sovereignty in the first place..
 
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.....it was all the manufacturing jobs in the US that finally caused so much trouble lately. The auto companies were paying people with high school educations outrageous amounts of money. Any unskilled labor in this country should never be paid more than 15 dollars an hour. Anything a trained circus animal can do should not be done by human hands. Working on an assembly line requires no special skills. The US stubbornly refusing to send work overseas to keep costs down and paying their unskilled workers 25-50 dollars an hour caused them to place themselves in a position that could not compete with the global economy. Go ahead and refute it and flame me to pieces but it is true. I dont care if you are laid off from GM right now because I lived in Lansing for 25 years and saw firsthand how GM worked and let the UAW bend them over and take it year after year. I saw how someone fresh out of high school could go start working at GM and be instantly making 18 bucks an hour while college graduates were barely making 15. I knew people with masters degrees that worked at GM because it paid more than anywhere else they could work. That was insane and finally the bottom fell out. It was too bad something was not done sooner so that many people would at least have a job now but at a much lower wage.

Anyway, that is what "patriotically" buying American got you. If you want American made be prepared to pay for it. You cannot and should not have American made and inexpensive in the same product.

Kimber then entered the picture and probably offers the best (quality, price, options) pistol manufactured in the U.S.
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I would almost refute this and say Les Baer has better quality per doller since they are actually making them right and not worrying about price.
 
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earlthegoat2,

Did you actually mean any of that? Ya really think 18 bucks an hour is a lot of money?

tipoc
 
earlthegoat2,

Did you actually mean any of that? Ya really think 18 bucks an hour is a lot of money?

tipo
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Straight out of HS with ZERO skills and ZERO experience $18 with primo benefits and a pension plan is pretty sweet.

Again. The average UAW worker, average mid level not entry level, makes $28 an hour or about $58,000 a year. That is a lot of money for unskilled labor.
 
STI is in Texas, im willing to say they make the best 1911's for the price...sorry Dan Wesson
 
How much is the Colt compared to the comparable Springer?
 
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Straight out of HS with ZERO skills and ZERO experience $18 with primo benefits and a pension plan is pretty sweet.

Again. The average UAW worker, average mid level not entry level, makes $28 an hour or about $58,000 a year. That is a lot of money for unskilled labor.
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Normally ya don't start out at $28.00 an hour. You start out at less and after a number of years of developing your skills, showing up at 6 in the am, 5 or 6 days a week, for 8-10 hrs. a day, inhaling poisonous chemicals, to work the line, your wages and benefits go up and ought to.

Work in an auto plant is not unskilled for the most part.

$18.00 an hour with benefits is a decent place to start. This is a decent living and far from a lot of money after deductions, taxes, etc.

Some folks begrudge working people decent wages and conditions. They like it better when we fight over cheap wages like dogs over a bone. The "American Way" they claim.

tipoc
 
Except that the low end STI gun is not really a US gun. It is made in the Philippines by armscor.
 
I can't believe how many times I hear of folks wanting to send a 1911 back to the factory for repairs when they have so many 1911 smithing resources available.
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Most of the better manufacturers of 1911s now offer lifetime warranties on their pistols. Why pay a local guy?
 
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