Steel case ammo in AR-15

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My father has been buying .223/5.56 ammo where he can. Recently a shooting friend of his sold him boxes of steel cased .223 ammo and said not to use it in an AR (we have a Mini-14 so that was fine). The guy was selling the ammo for $6 a box so I told my dad to get as much as he could.

My question is, is there any real reason to not shooting steel cased ammo in an AR or is it just an opinion? I know generalities of brass vs steel cases but am no expert.

Thanks
 
Mileage with lacquered steel case ammo varies.
Some swear by; some swear at--a lot of variables.
Some depends on who makes the ammo, and how much QC it gets before being packed up for sale.

There's all sorts of third-hand horror stories about the stuff.
 
Andrew, all that i am shooting out of my AR's now is steel. Shot some this past Saturday. My Mini14 is a little more picky. I have had a couple of sticky steel rounds that did not eject and had to be knocked out with a dowel. I did break an extractor on an unejected steel case in one of my AR's about a year ago but that was my fault.

If it was mine, I would shoot the steel ammo and let the chips fall where they may. :)
 
I own two AR’s; Bushmaster that is 20+ years old and newer S&W. Both shoot steel cased ammo without any problems. You will get carbon build up because the steel cases do not seal as well as brass cased ammo. When this happens, a few seconds with a chamber brush solves the issue.

No extractor issues, etc.
 
Show us a video of melting lacquer on a steel case....

Either from a severely overheated gun, with smoking handguards ...

...or using an actual blowtorch to melt it. ——

The real issue seems to be people who do not clean chambers, or even understand that rigid steel cases (reported by a gunsmith on Perfectunion: Mini 14—) Allow residue to accumulate.
 
Fishbed77: people will still want to believe what their friends tell them.

Maybe people prefer rumors (sometimes with a hidden agenda) versus detailed evaluations and comparisons.

Your link might harm the future profits of US-made ammo manufacturers , and the stores which sell it.
 
I have only 1 AR that sees steel case ammo, it's a 7.62x39, it eats that cheap Russian ammo up. Anyways, I have no qualms with the actual steel case, it's the steel core bullet that some outdoor ranges wont allow. Plus, whatever alloy of copper those Ruskies coat their bullets with, the copper fouling is something fierce.

The rest of my guns eat brass cased ammo cause I reload
 
I'll put steel case ammo through any of my ARs. Never once had a problem aside from abysmal accuracy from my only 223 Wylde chambered AR.
Especially in this environment you're insane if you think the minimal barrel wear from steel cased (and more the importantly steel jacketed bullets within them) is of any significance vs the cost of the ammo itself.

It's great for blasting here in the US, but remember that about half the world supplies their entire army with steel cased ammo.
 
this is extremely important to understand why some swear its trash, and mostly younger, or newer users dont, and its what makes the difference. For a long time the typical steel case stuff was loaded with a really light loading. Chronographing, they all ran around 2600-2700 FPS with the standard 55-62 grain bullets. Now pressure and velocity are not necessarily constant to each other, but its safe to assume that these rounds were loaded to lower pressure back then.
When you run 5.56 in a steel case, at low pressure, the case will not seal, and the soot will stick in the chamber. This causes cases to get stuck. The powder you find in these rounds if very dirty, and while dirty is not the problem people make it out to be, it can be if the dirt is acting like glue. Because the 5.56 is mostly straight, unlike the more common Soviet rounds, it drags its whole way out of the chamber. Laquer is not an issue, seal is not an issue. Just low pressure.
While I cannot prove this, I CAN say I have steel case that jammed specific rifles badly, and pulling the bullet, replacing the powder with a better suited powder, of normal pressure, reseating the bullet, so in effect changing nothing but the pressure, this rounds shot and cycled just fine.

What is important now, for a decade now, most steel case has been loaded to higher velocity, last run I chrono'd hit almost 3K, so, again presumably, loaded to a higher pressure. This stuff runs fine.
Steel case often equals steel bullet. Steel is always going to wear more. In an AR where the savings outweigh the barrel replacement its not really a concern. In a rifle without cheap easily changed barrels, I would avoid it.

My personal observation has been that SAAMI .223 Rem chambers stick less than 5.56.
 
this is extremely important to understand why some swear its trash, and mostly younger, or newer users dont, and its what makes the difference. For a long time the typical steel case stuff was loaded with a really light loading. Chronographing, they all ran around 2600-2700 FPS with the standard 55-62 grain bullets. Now pressure and velocity are not necessarily constant to each other, but its safe to assume that these rounds were loaded to lower pressure back then.
When you run 5.56 in a steel case, at low pressure, the case will not seal, and the soot will stick in the chamber. This causes cases to get stuck. The powder you find in these rounds if very dirty, and while dirty is not the problem people make it out to be, it can be if the dirt is acting like glue. Because the 5.56 is mostly straight, unlike the more common Soviet rounds, it drags its whole way out of the chamber. Laquer is not an issue, seal is not an issue. Just low pressure.
While I cannot prove this, I CAN say I have steel case that jammed specific rifles badly, and pulling the bullet, replacing the powder with a better suited powder, of normal pressure, reseating the bullet, so in effect changing nothing but the pressure, this rounds shot and cycled just fine.

What is important now, for a decade now, most steel case has been loaded to higher velocity, last run I chrono'd hit almost 3K, so, again presumably, loaded to a higher pressure. This stuff runs fine.
Steel case often equals steel bullet. Steel is always going to wear more. In an AR where the savings outweigh the barrel replacement its not really a concern. In a rifle without cheap easily changed barrels, I would avoid it.

My personal observation has been that SAAMI .223 Rem chambers stick less than 5.56.
During the last "crisis" I bought some Wolff .223 55 gr. and they were weak and dirty too. My ar did not like them at all.
 
Some AR15's will eat them, others want nothing to do with them. I had a mini 14 years ago that wouldn't eat them. The only way to know is to try with that particular gun.
 
Now that I received the ammo with steel cases, I was just notified that 5 boxes of 20 with brass cases will ship soon. I was also notified that my Dillon 6.5 Grendel conversion kit has shipped too. It's a good day.
 
In a pinch shoot what you must but ideally I stick to a rule which I made up which is:
Russian ammo in American guns and American ammo in Russian guns. Or maybe it is the reverse....I forget.
Anyway, happy shooting!
 
Three of my shooting buddies just finished a 1500 round carbine course. All of it with ARs and steel cased ammo.

That’s in addition to untold thousands of rounds we’ve put down range before that.

Rifles used in the 2 day course were a 14.5” BCM, 11.5” PSA pistol, and 16” Rock River.

Not saying you should or shouldn’t use it. The above is for your reference and consideration.
 
It's not the steel case that does the appreciable damage to the rifle. It is the "bimetalic" (copper washed steel jacket) jacket on the projectiles that does the damage. They will with no exception wear the barrel faster than a pure copper coated projectile. But a barrel is a wear item.
It WILL wear no matter the precautions taken.
You shoot ANYTHING through it and you get damage.

The steel case will not obturate as well as a brass cartridge. Leaving a bit more of a mess in the forward part of the chamber.
Meaning you will need to clean the chamber on occasion.

Yes it (the steel case) will cause accelerated wear on the extractor and possibly the ejector, but that is a moot point. Bu the time you realistically are going to see failures there you are many thousands of rounds in cycle and likely would have seen failures already with brass cased ammunition.


Like mentioned above. A couple of turns of a chamber brush every half case or so.

Also, most failures I've seen were from transitioning from steel to brass. The better seal of the brass usually anchors itself firmly in the grunge in the chamber or neck.

Most AR rifles keep chugging through steel if you never transition to brass.
And yes I remember the low pressure and velocity and filthy earlier days of steel. Those days were a pain but fun.
 
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... yes I remember the low pressure and velocity and filthy earlier days of steel. Those days were a pain but fun

The steel stuff has at times been extremely inexpensive (recently, I might add). Thankfully only had 2 bad cases out of about 3 dozen .223 in the last 15 years. When the ammo IS bad, it's really awful. I think this is where the reputation comes from. Low pressure, low velocity, ripped rims, stuck cases galore from one case. I eventually shot the whole thing but it was a very poor experience. Haven't had a bad box from Wolf, Tula, Herters, or Hornady Steel in probably 6 years now. If anything the most recent Tula with the nickel colored bullets have been a big improvement in accuracy over the older brass washed stuff.
 
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I've used probably 500 rounds of steel cased Herters split between my older M&P sport and my Wyndham. Never a problem. My bolt action ruger 77 wouldn't close on a steel case round though.
 
Someone ran 10,000 round test with Wolf through his and only quit when the second lug broke off the bolt. He did not clean anything but did oil the bolt from time to time. The breech pretty much looked like a sewer pipe when he was done.

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I've burned through two cases of Wolf and Tula steel in the last year and the only problem encountered was one AR pistol that wouldn't run on them. Dad's Ruger. Everything else, like a top.

Myths are far easier created than debunked and bad news travels fast.
 
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