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Dangerousdan

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Wow, Yesterday I posted questions about getting started in reloading.
Today I had some spear time and went window shopping. I'm not a guy who hangs around a Gun supply store but I like to know or compare prices. I have noticed that just in the last five years, Things are getting crazy. Reloading equipment getting way out of hand.
My thought's are buying used equipment is the way to go. That brings up another question. What pieces would something that wares out (such as dies)
you should be cautious about buying used.
Thanks
 
I bought a used RCBS outfit almost 15 years ago and saved more than 50% (check your Penny Saver/ Shopper papers and even place a 'wanted' listing in the firearms category. I do this a lot but you have to be patient). Nothing that I have has ever worn out. Some minor pieces have broken or malfunctioned and every one of the manufacturers replaced the part at no charge. RCBS even replaced the entire scale. Don't sweat it. This stuff is built to last lifetimeS! Buy and enjoy.;)
 
What calibers are you going to load,and what kind of production are you after?
The classifieds here always have something going on,either buying or selling.Most gun boards have such a section,and a friend of mine saved a ton of money buying used.
Just be careful that the shipping doesn't offset any savings,it happens.
and forget Ebay,imho. Just shop the gun boards.
 
Regarding SASS's comment about e-bay, I've been investigating casting bullets and on the bay moulds are bringing twice what you can buy them for just about anywhere! The only thing I went overboard for was an RCBS manual, new-old stock- and paid $32 for it. So, try to stay local for your buys and when you place those 'wanted' ads be sure to tell them that you want them posted in the 'Firearms' listings. If they post it in the 'Wanted' section there's less chance that it will be seen. I've bought cars, firearms, tractors and reloading gear in this way. Give it a shot!!!
 
I found cabellas 2005 reloading catalog in the desk today... oh my... 100 of 223 was priced at 11.99... I about cried
 
2005 is just about when I got started in reloading, I would love to get those kind of prices again! Lead shot was $16.00 for 25lbs, a year ago I got 5 bags for $32 each and was lucky I could get it for that even! I saw $55 at the peak.
 
I got the lee classic turret kit, with upgraded pro powder disk and safety prime system, with spare turret and dies to load two (2) calibers, plus some other extra stuff, delivered for $300.00 :eek: (Got it new from Kempf's) Only thing left to get is powder, primers and bullets.. (Most brass I get from the range) I can easily shoot up $50+ worth of store bought ammo in a couple hours at the range.. I think $300 for an initial startup investment (much less if you can find used equipment) is well worth it, and should pay for itself within a half dozen trips to the range!! Best of luck finding what ya want!!
 
Dan,

Not sure if you are refering mostly to component prices or press/die prices, but there are some good deals to be found.

Check out the Lee kits for maximum value. They work fine, though you obviously won't produce ammo as quickly as you would with, say, a Dillon 1050.

A low-priced starter kit that a lot of folks have gone with is the Lee Anniversary Kit:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=OX2UFCT0YRT1PLAQBBKCCN3MCAEFKIWE?id=0003080216577a&type=product&cmCat=froogle&cm_ven=data_feed&cm_cat=froogle&cm_pla=0370101&cm_ite=0003080216577a&_requestid=130207

I personally use the Lee Classic Turret Press, which allows me to load a good bit faster (but not as fast as a full-on progressive press). The thing I love most about the turret press is that I can accomplish a complete caliber change in about ten seconds!

Here's a link to the Classic Turret Press kit:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=froogle-cat20847&id=0044122216337a&navCount=1&podId=0044122&parentId=cat20847&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=XJ&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat601233&hasJS=true


As far as component prices are concerned, consider your savings when compared with a comparable purchase of factory ammo!

My most recent box of .45 GAP ammunition was loaded with Speer 230 grain TMJ bullets, which I bought in a box of 100 from a local retailer (ie: not the best priced bullet choice out there).

To load a 50 round box of this retail-priced handloaded ammo would cost me about $12.23, whereas an equivalent box of factory loaded ammo would take me to about $26 per box of 50. That's a savings of $13.77 per box! Plus, my handloads always seem to out perform the similar factory loads!

Of course, that is talking in terms of small scale purchases there. If we were to buy loaded ammo or components in bulk we'd obviously save money. As such, I also looked at the price of bulk purchases:

Winchester white box in .45 GAP will run you $502/1,000rds through Midway right now. Remington UMC ammo would run you $452/1,000 rds.

If I purchased the components that were required to load that much ammo, and did so in bulk, I could produce 1,000 rounds for about $159.

That's a savings of $343 or $293 per case, respectively. You can pay off your reloading equipment fairly quickly that way!
 
Bought a used Dillon 650 in early January for $500. Since then, I've loaded 4,000 rounds of 45 ACP, and 1,000 rounds of .40 S&W. Dies are on order for .380. A month after that, I'll order the .357 set-up.
I think I've recouped my investment already.... ;)
BTW - anyone got a good source for once-fired 40, 380 and 357 brass?
 
Dan if your'e looking for hardware go to Lees Factory Sales site, there are masny good bargins !
 
I regularly buy used reloading equipment and hardly ever see any of it worn out or even broken. The reason for this is that most all the manufacturers also build bulldozers and they build both products the same. So just how could one wear out a press that moves 1 maybe 2 times a minute at it's fastest?

I see dies assembled wrong. I see broken de-capping pins. I see dies full of grease. I see presses that need de-greasing and lubing with new oil. I see dirty presses from de-capping 1000 cases. But I hardly ever see major parts that are broken.

So is buying used a good deal? YES !! I would highly recommend this as the very best way to go.
 
Yep, rf, when I see used equipment at a good price I uy it, refurbish it (tear down, grease, de-rust - and sell for a profit. When they want to dicker I decliune and always get my price.
 
I think that when a lot of people get into reloading they think they have to have a progressive unit with all the bells and whistles. While such presses are very nice, they are by no means necessary to get both cost benefits and general enjoyment from handloading.

I suggest to folks that they start small. A single stage press and the basic accessories, powder measure, scale, loading block, dies, and components. Such items (sans components) can be had in low priced kits from Lee, or put together with a combination of new and used purchases.

There are two major reasons to start small IMO:

1) The new handloader may discover that he or she doesn't enjoy it. If that turns out to be the case its much better to have spent $200 than $600 or more on equipment.

2) A single stage press is slow, but for most people that also means better attention to detail. Attention to detail means less chance for costly mistakes that can ruin the benefits of handloading. Once a new handloader is comfortable with the process, moving up to a progressive can make sense. There is always a place for a good single stage (or two) on the bench.

I loaded with a Rock Chucker from 1994 until 2001 when I finally got my first progressive.

Right now I'm back to only loading on the RC. Its slow, but I enjoy the process almost as much as shooting. The progressive is faster, but isn't as good an experience in and of its self IMO.
 
Landric, I agree with you - starting slow and building into it also allows you to focus your $$$ resources into better-quality accessory items (scales, etc) that can be used with any type/style equipment. If I hadn't come across such a screamin' deal on the 650, I wouldn't have spent the money on a new one - they're certainly worth it, but as you mention, time spent reloading is actually fun to most folks rather than a chore to hurry out of the way.
 
Myself, I'd say look for quality used equipment. And I'd also start with a single stage press as Landric has suggested. It's easier to use initially. (Especially for rifle ammo.) Plus, even if you eventually go to a progressive, the single stage presses are always handy for doing small amounts of test ammo.
Something else I would suggest is that you do every step that is recommended in the manuals. Don't cut corners, or you may end up with ammo that doesn't satisfy your needs.
It's a great hobby and you will learn a lot. Go for it.
 
I have 2 Lee Reloaders(used) that I use most of the time and if doing less than a few hundred, that is what I use. If I need to do a lot, I use the Loadmaster(new). I prefer to use the single stage whenever possible, but if you gotta crank out a few k, it is nice to do it in a few hours. :rolleyes: Most of your equipment will last a lifetime, so if you can get it used get it. Worst case, you send it in and get it repaired or replaced for a small charge or even no charge. If you have to buy new, your budget will determine what color you use. Right now, there aren't lots of listings for reloading stuff like there used to be, so you may well have to get some things new unless you are not in a hurry to get started. Whatever you do, research a reasonable price before you buy, there are lots of folks that thing their stuff is gold lined and will take you. Recently saw a used set of Lee 223 dies go on evilbay for 65.00+ and there were 10 bidders fighting for them. Be informed and best of luck.
 
Ebay has been crazy with reloading equipment. I've seen multiple items go for significant amounts more (used) than the same items sell for new at Midway, Grafs, or one of the other online vendors.

That might make some sense if the items were out of stock at those places, but in many cases the items were in stock. At least in the case of Midway one would also probably get the items faster than if "won" on Ebay also.
 
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