Stop Shooting Dogs!

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From time to time here at THR we get dog shooting threads. This case serves as a reminder to us all that if you do not have to shoot (you are not in danger), do not shoot.

Problem #2 is real. It is not something that was created in a lab to spoil your fun of shooting your gun at anything you want because you have a pistol so you are invincible and no harm can come from your shooting "trespassers".:rolleyes: When you discharge your pistol, there is a chance that you will go to jail.

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Ricocheted bullet killed Evansville woman on Thanksgiving

WADESVILLE, Ind. (AP) -- A woman who was fatally shot Thursday while trying to coax her dog from a neighbor's yard was hit by a bullet that ricocheted off the ground and under a plastic fence before striking her shoulder.

The bullet from a .357-caliber Magnum pierced both the lungs and heart of Nicole Stroud, 29, Vanderburgh County Coroner Don Erk said. The Evansville woman was leaning down, trying to get her Shih Tzu dog out of a neighbor's yard and through a hole in the bottom of a fence when she was shot.

The neighbor accused of firing the gun, Melinda Lindauer, 41, was arrested on preliminary charges of involuntary manslaughter and reckless homicide. She was still being held in Posey County Jail on Saturday.

Posey County Prosecutor Jodi Uebelhack said she believes Lindauer fired from a back window of her house at a dog that was loose from a neighboring house, where Stroud was visiting her grandmother.

The Lindauers live directly behind Stroud's grandmother. Wadesville is about 15 miles northwest of Evansville.

The prosecutor said Lindauer might not have seen Stroud and probably didn't intend to kill her, but criminal charges still were warranted. Indiana law states that a person can only fire a gun at a dog if it is threatening an individual or livestock.

"After we got all the statements, it was pretty clear this was a criminal act," Uebelhack said. "It's never an accident to pick up a gun and shoot it."

Uebelhack said a statement given to police by Lindauer's husband, Lonnie, indicated that there was an ongoing dispute between the neighbors over the dog. She said he told authorities the dog had previously dug up a cat that was buried in the Lindauer's backyard.

Melinda Lindauer's attorney, Nick Hermann, said he could not comment on the specifics of the case. But he said that the Lindauers are distraught over what happened.

"Their thoughts and prayers go out to the family of the lady who died in this incident," he said.
 
El T, there may be some posters who say they will shoot any dog in there yard, however, the most of them say that any dog that's a threat will get shot, and still profess the 4 rules in doint so.
 
Melinda Lindauer, 41, was arrested on preliminary charges of involuntary manslaughter and reckless homicide.

Good call, she needs to be in jail for killing that lady.
 
Well, I don't know about Alabama, (can't imagine in all circumstances it is a felony , what if it's pit bull eating your two year old?) in Florida an animal (dog or otherwise) threatening livestock or a human can be shot, but the four rules still apply and any collateral damage is your responsibility.
 
Here in Alabama, you shoot the dog, you might have to shoot the owner... or be shot by him. And I am NOT kidding.

But it is like any self defense. First, stay alive, then go to court if you have to.
 
If it's a threat it's dead. Hard to imagine circumstances where a shih-tzu is a threat though. And a .357 without a backstop is just plain negligent. Nearly as bad as the cops who killed the 5 year old while shooting a snake.
 
Here in Colorado Ill shoot any mutt close to my livestock , end of discussion . As far as my yard in town goes tho i never felt a need to shoot any dog there . IMHO a fiberglass stock sorting stick tends to take care of the surliest mutt at a safe enough range for town use .
 
Some people just don't have the emotional self-control to own and use guns. This does not mean I think the government is to decide who does and who doesn't. That's mother Natures job along with the gun owners they prove it to. I am not sure if I am entirely in agreement with those rule (and I mean not sure) but common sense suggests that a known neighbor at your property line making call motions at their dog is just trying to respect your property. If you want them gone, going out there with a gun in your hand and telling them to get lost should be more then enough to give them the message, and if you are going to fire a warning shot, only a total idiot is going to shoot down range. Ultimately, it appears that this lady acted in total disregard for the other persons safety. Likewise, the law, in this case, worked the way it should. That is, provided this news story is truthful. My experience with journalists and reporters has left me with no confidence in them though. In any case, I am an innocent until proven guilty person. Let the locals deal with it.

Live and let live is a hard learned concept that we all need to follow if we want to live and live happy. No matter how gun crazy you are, certain rules must be obeyed to insure you live as you please. If you turn everything free for all, so will everyone else, and then no one is safe. Anyone who has been in combat knows that when you put the lives of others in danger, you put your own life in danger as well. Most of us understand and practice this concept when it comes to gun violence. The one that the majority of all people have a hard time with is letting others do as they please, so long as they don't bother anyone. Once you infringe upon it, you introduce the entire thing to the arena and then everyone uses it. This is the main reason why our rights are going down the tube. Everyone infringes upon the rights of others while claiming other rights for themselves.
 
The shooter didn't own livestock, nor could she have been threatened by a dog while she was in her house.
Posey County Prosecutor Jodi Uebelhack said she believes Lindauer fired from a back window of her house at a dog
She's gonna do jail time.
 
The shooter didn't own livestock, nor could she have been threatened by a dog while she was in her house.

Never said she did or could LOL . Just stated i am not about to stop shooting dogs , and why/when i do shoot them .

IMHO she should do time for at least manslaughter if not more .
 
it ain't so much the dog shooting that is offensive, as whether the need exists in the first place, and whether it is done safely.
 
It is a felony to shoot/kill ANY dog here in Alabama. Makes no difference if you own the dog or not.
I doubt that.

This is a bit of a straw man thread, or at least is not specfic to dogs.
 
Taking that shot was so stupid. The dog was not an active threat.
 
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Know your target and what is beyond.
Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt. Equally important, be aware of the area beyond your target. This means observing your prospective area of fire before you shoot. Never fire in a direction in which there are people or any other potential for mishap. Think first. Shoot second.


http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp
 
The lady was stupid and shouldn't have been allowed near any type of firearm. That said, I will throw this in. In rural Michigan and I know in other states I have lived in there were trouble with dog "Packs". Little lovable Rover by himself is a faithful companion. Put Rover in a group of dogs with a good alpha leader and their wolf ancestry emerges. We raised a small number of sheep on our farm , about 20, used them for brush clearing mostly. We had receive warnings about a pack of dogs in the area and was on the alert. Sure enough I heard a commotion ( only one home, 15 years old) and grabbing my .22 I ran to the pasture, Now any dog will run sheep, sheep have got to be one of the dumbest of all of God's creatures, but good farm dogs will learn that its a no-no.. In this case two sheep were already down and they had shagged another one. When the smoke cleared away there were 4 dead dogs on the ground. Called the law and together we visited the owners of two of the dogs we were able to ID. Sure enough, they had no ideal their dogs were running in a pack. Townies, that had moved to the country and had no concept or knowledge of rural life These same dogs had already been responsible for attacks on a young girl who was out walking, she was able to climb a tree and only suffered minor injuries, so there were already a so call "death warrant " out on the dogs. I did not enjoy killing those dogs, in fact I was very upset and pi**ed off the owners. Normal farm dogs don't run, my dog was never out of sight or hearing of the family. If a dog was a runner, he was given away or put down. However, anyone who would shoot at a dog in a town setting , with a .357 has got to be as dumb as our sheep. I posted this information to show there are at times, justification in shooting dogs. When deer hunting we also were told by the game warden to shoot any dogs we spoted "running deer".
 
Now any dog will run sheep, sheep have got to be one of the dumbest of all of God's creatures, but good farm dogs will learn that its a no-no.. In this case two sheep were already down and they had shagged another one.
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Oh really?

Good grief, nasty dogs.

That sounds like something Austin Powers would say.
 
Yeah, shooting at the shih-tzu that was probably nose to the ground looking for new scents and checking out new territory while in the city and using a 357 is just a string of bad ideas.
This was probably due to beef between the neighbors.
But, there are some people who believe that what someone at Hardees or the Gun Club told them about shooting whatever you like on your property with anything you like is true. It has to be. No need to verify or use common sense.
Or ask an attorney, judge, prosecutor, or whomever.

A human being is dead now and someone is going to prison because of someone's desire to kill a dog on their property.

I'd rather take my chances unarmed against a fight club rottweiler than go to prison like this poor sap will.
 
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