vanfunk
Member
Excellent point ECVMatt. I find a stock 1911 to be very easy to take down but a Glock practically falls apart when you start dismantling it. 40 years later, it’s still an extraordinarily simple design.
Trackskippy, I have to respectfully disagree with you about the Glock trigger. I find the long takeup, mushy wall, and significant overtravel to be the definition of a bad trigger. The rubber band gun I bought my son when he was 4 had a better trigger. This is no bash; I love Glocks and have been working tirelessly lately to shoot them up to their inherent accuracy (and I agree with everything else you said!) There are many striker fired guns with a vastly better out-of-the-box trigger: CZ P-10, Walther PDP and HK VP9 are tops in my experience, and even the lowly Canik is far superior to the stock Glock trigger. I would encourage you to try these pistols and see what you think. Good 1911 triggers (and CZ shadows, Tactical Sports) are something else entirely.
You don't always need to be able to do this, but when I am out in the desert or way up in the mountains, it is comforting to be able to detail strip your pistol or replace a part without things flying everywhere.
, it is comforting to be able to detail strip your pistol or replace a part without things flying everywhere.
Glocks triggers are no worse than any of the other "factory" triggers. People need to stop trying to perpetuate that myth.
LOL. I just heard that Bobby Bare song on my Pandora stream the other day. Johnny Paycheck's Colorado Kool Aide too.View attachment 1202404
Have you any extensive experience with the triggers on some of the later production Walthers. SIGs or HKs? Anyway, I guess "worse than" is mostly subjective when it comes to striker-fired pistols, but many of us (1) don't favor the pronounced "dingus," liking more a smooth-faced trigger; (2) like a somewhat longer and smoother pull and (3) don't subscribe to the notion that the shortest reset is the "better" trigger.
Later in my shooting lifetime (yeah, I'm over retirement age now) I've come to appreciate many aspects of polymer-framed striker pistols -- light weight, good balance, favorable ergonomics, pointability, higher capacity in slim and concealable packages, consistent trigger pulls -- but I'm not ready to declare any one platform as The Winner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRWlnv0_svU
THE WINNER by BOBBY BARE
The Winner by Bobby Bare1976 Songwriter: SHEL SILVERSTEIN More Info & Newest Updates about BOBBY BARECOUNTRY MUSIC HALL OF FAMEBOBBY BAREhttps://countrymusi...www.youtube.com
I'm not fussy, I have plenty of each.
And that's what the OP has been missing. Needed? Not really, HF pistols can be as reliable. As someone said above, it's just a different way of igniting a primer. A cheaper way.Striker fired pistols like the Glock and M&P offer excellent reliability, more so than most other handguns in my experience. They are also very easy to work on and possibilities to customize are endless.
You mention the long trigger take up on Glocks. The Walther PPQ/PDP and Canik MC9 all have a longer trigger take up than my stock Glock gen 3's. There is no mushy wall on my gen 3 Glocks, in fact it is a very hard wall with no creep before crisp trigger snap. Although the Glock trigger reset might not be the shortest, it is the strongest and most tactile compared to all the polymer striker pistols. Also, the HK VP9 has a long reset, with additional movement once back after the softer wall. On my stock Glocks the reset pushes you right back to the hard wall, with no more additional movement. I once got caught up in the internet myth about stock Glock triggers and put a 3lb Timney Alpha Trigger in one of my Glocks, softer wall, no tactile reset. Took the Timney out, went back to stock, the perfect self-defense trigger. None of these stock plastic striker pistols have a custom tuned 1911 style trigger, so none of them are vastly superior to the other, just personal preference.Trackskippy, I have to respectfully disagree with you about the Glock trigger. I find the long takeup, mushy wall, and significant overtravel to be the definition of a bad trigger. The rubber band gun I bought my son when he was 4 had a better trigger. This is no bash; I love Glocks and have been working tirelessly lately to shoot them up to their inherent accuracy (and I agree with everything else you said!) There are many striker fired guns with a vastly better out-of-the-box trigger: CZ P-10, Walther PDP and HK VP9 are tops in my experience, and even the lowly Canik is far superior to the stock Glock trigger. I would encourage you to try these pistols and see what you think. Good 1911 triggers (and CZ shadows, Tactical Sports) are something else entirely.
I'm really reading between the lines that you need to add a G20 or M&P 2 10mmI've got a bunch of pretty good hammer-fired pistols (and revolvers) as I sort of "accumulate/collect." But there are far fewer striker-fired ones in the safe.
In 9 there's a worked-on Sig P230 compact and a 9mm S&W/Walther/Magnum Research 99; Shield 2.0 45 PC; a P320 SC in .40; and a SW99 full and compact in .40.
They kinda fill all my needs for carry (and play).
But I'm wondering if I'm missing something by not owning a Glock or Taurus or some other (plastic) striker fired guns. I haven't yet seen any features on any of the striker guns lately that I can't live without. I've got "small/pocket-carry" covered with J-frames and Smith 380 EZ and no shortage of IWB and range toys in most popular calibers.
So what features or particular pistols should I be looking for, if any? I'm thinking of just upgrading one or two of the ones I have -- like sending a .45 PX4 off to Langdon or a Remington 1911 RIS off to ???? who for an upgrade.
(Clearly I have too much time on my hands and/or have been doing this too long.)
Fair enough as its all-personal preference. The Glock Timney Alpha Trigger that I briefly had on my Glock 19 is a 3lb single action trigger, with a very short take up, very light crisp pull, short but vague reset. I didn't like it on a carry/home defense gun, so I put the stock trigger back in. I don't own a gen 5 Glock, but have shot them, and the wall is a softer rolling wall, with some creep, than the more defined hard wall/no creep of the gen 3 Glocks.Hi Vindag:
I’ve just had a different experience. I find the wall on the PDP and VP9 to be far, far crisper, lighter, and more single-action like than the Glock gen 5 trigger, even with the “performance” trigger and a Ghost connector. Resets to me are so close as to make no difference, but for aimed fire, the defined wall makes a big difference in accuracy for me. Others may differ in their feelings, of course.