BIGGBAY90
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Oh okay---i'm here trying to learn as much as i can before i buy---you guys have great information and i hope all knows thatS what it all about
How many of you are typing on a computer with the majority of parts made in China? 100% of you unless you're using a 1946 ENIAC vacuum tube computer.
No offense, but we would choose to hire actual mechanical engineers.
Furthermore, we have been a repair station for all brands of safes for the past 30 years, and that’s about the time you were born Frank.
Your not trying to sell Biggbay90 a G5931 (which is a B-rated Chinese safe) Frank? Is that what your saying? We all know your on here selling your safes in addition to providing information. This is one of the things you do for a living.
Are you, or are you not, stating to our customers reading this thread, that they should be worried about Sturdy Safes being pried open, with a 6ft pry bar, by a thief?
Like I have previously stated, Sturdy Gun Safe doors do not allow enough gap for a pry bar to get started, however, IF you were able to get a pry bar started, we already know, with enough force, you can bend the lip of the door up. HOWEVER THIS WILL STILL NOT OPEN THE DOOR. The welding everywhere on the door is more than substantial as you can see.......etc.......etc.......
Sure every engineer knows that given a leaver big enough and long enough you can move almost any weight, but can that be PRACTICALLY APPLIED to prying a Sturdy Safe? Of course not! There are problems such as pry bar thickness not being adequate. We can state that it’s impossible to go to the moon, but then you would say, yes it is possible, it’s been done before. Disregarding the practicality of actually doing it. Basically, we understand no safe is impregnable, but due to mechanical engineers, expert safe crackers, and our own vigorous testing, we are very comfortable in saying that our customers have nothing to worry about when it comes to practical pry bar attacks. You are saying otherwise still, correct?
You forgot to add the word “not". The “10000lb stack of 5/16” could NOT flex” an inch, like it could have, if it was possible to do so.
Sturdy Safe took you up on your challenge to call local locksmiths. All the locksmiths said; a WELL MADE B rated safe is virtually impossible to pry open, however, there were some that had welded in door seats that could be breached by taking a sledge hammer and beating the door in. Breaking the welds that held the door seat. This however, is not just a pry bar attack. I guess thickness is not everything.
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A1abdj: #4 On Another Thread: "Brown doesn't built UL rated safes"
Yet Brown Mfg. needed to come on here and tell you they do.
We called Amsec. They agreed with us that Franks statement is not true and when viewing the substance in person, you can see it‘s not true. This is in addition, to everyone else on the forum telling him it‘s not true. He was comparing our safe to an 11g body, 16 g liner Amsec gun safe. -This was discussed on this thread (#36) as well.
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A1abdj: #2 On Another Thread: "The AMSEC is 10 gauge and 14 gauge. I have verified this myself with Amsec at a level above the customer service reps that answer the phones."
After 4 people corrected you saying it was really an 11g body and 16g liner, you go on to state;
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A1abdj: #35 On Another Thread:"I have not verified this, but according to somebody else I know in the business, they have a cut away model that states they are now 11 gauge.”
Which we know for a fact now, you were wrong again.
His point being, the bf gun safes must be just as good in a fire as the smaller UL fire rated BF safes, right? Wrong. This is entirely incorrect and very misleading. The smaller UL Fire rated bf safes use Vermiculite mix, which Amsec says performs better in a fire compared to the dry light used in their bf gun safes. In addition, their wall thicknesses differ. We called Amsec, and they agreed with us that what Frank stated is not true.
Even though, we proved you cannot do this with a pry bar that’s actually capable of being used on a Sturdy Gun Safe.
Even though you will not say how you would do it, so we can debunk you.
Funny I was thinking the same thing about you! Do you just sell their safes or do you have a side deal with their Marketing/PR Department? Full disclosure please.
For all you know, all knowing one, he's repeating what the salesman told him on the phone when he called to ask about the safe.
I think you should have left it at that. It's never good to let your ego get in the way, especially when you keep getting proved wrong.
I assume you'll be man enough to admit that's YOU if the owner responds to your email and says it was a hole like he previously stated?
Well despite what the naysayers say. Sturdy Safe makes a great product and the fact that their customers are so quick to defend them should speak something for anyone considering a gun safe.
Their design is brilliant in my opinion.
They don't go the "lets go for the B rating and get a 1/4" on the body and 1/2" on the door" design philosophy. No their design is for purpose (ax and pry bar defense) and there is a lot of steel devoted to the super structure under the door intended to meet that purpose.
go check for yourself. See what the thermal conductivity of ceramic wool is and fiber glass is and see if there is anything else better. There's not much else even close except maybe foam and that can't handle extremely high temperatures and don't think because air has a lower thermal conductivity that that would be a better choice because much like a toaster, radiant heat can transfer across air to the inner liner as well.
no it's not TL rated but it is the gun safe most of us should have IMO based on the value of our collections.
Why not? Isn't more steel more resistant? It would surely come at a higher price, but better security costs more.
If you're shopping for furnace insulation, look at what the major manufacturers are using. When you're looking at safes, look at what the major (real safe) manufacturers are using.
Why would the salesman say something different than the written description on the website? Why would the owner of the company (whom I spoke with on the phone) confirm that there was no hole?
They are designed to protect assets, and the paint job, gold plating, and fur lined interiors don't have much to do with that.
If you're shopping for furnace insulation, look at what the major manufacturers are using. When you're looking at safes, look at what the major (real safe) manufacturers are using.
Well assuming you really did call local safe techs. I find it odd that all of them said the same thing. Who did you call?
Gun safe sales (mostly local to St. Louis) make up less than 5% of my business. I'm not here to sell gun safes. If I was going to sell anything to boost my living, I would be here selling the custom restored vault doors.
I don't know why you are taking this so personally.
These safes have gone through several design changes. I was not wrong.
It would have given the proper circumstances. Your pry bar was pretty much your weak link there.
Any pry bar is capable of being used on your safe, so you haven't proved much.
I know you're getting upset because your name keeps coming up.
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We all know your on here selling your safes in addition to providing information."
If he is, it's extremely subtle
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Who is keizer ---a safe dealer or repairman
I'm not really sure what he is but he appears to be quite the loudmouth at the moment.
A sharp steel wedge and a sledge hammer disagree with you.
Nope, you are here to do exactly what you say he is here doing......selling your product.,
You're joking right?
Really? From what I hear on these boards the "fur lined interior" is the only reason to get an Amsec BF over a Sturdy.
Most manufacturers use what's cheapest and easiest, what has the best return for it's price to value ratio. In effect what the best deal is for the money.
Why would you not believe her when you believe some salesman you don't know who sold a damaged safe. Because he told you what you wanted to hear? Even after the owner of the safe clearly said it was a hole? Sounds like the 2 Amsec dealer are protecting their brand.
I doubt there would be much of a market on here for "custom restored vault doors" given that most people on here want to spend $1000 or less on a safe. Again you're not really making sense.
Dude, you're the one who has spent 40 man hours taking it personally this week. Two manufacturers came on here a couple of times each to defend themselves after you misrepresented their products. And you have the nerve to question both of their motives? What's your motive. Don't tell me it's to help people that's a load of crap at this point.
Funny how you continued to get it wrong even after you were corrected by people who called Amsec directly and were lucky enough to get someone over there who knew what they were talking about. As you may remember it took them a while to find anyone who could even give them any accurate information. Again since it wasn't in your interest to admit that Amsec went to 11/16 gauge you kept quoting the old specs.
That was the most serious pry bar I have ever seen. I doubt you could pick up one that's bigger.
They have tested their safe. Have you? You're the one that HASN'T PROVED ANYTHING. Talk is cheap and you're master of cheap talk. Bottom line is prove them wrong or shut the F up already.
Man you have nerve. You've posted around 50-60 times on this thread alone, continuing to claim you can do something that you've never done to their safe and they come on to call you BS and you say their upset? If they posted nonsense and insults as much as you then I'd say they were upset.
Subtle to you maybe.
They've posted twice he's posted 60 or so times. Who's selling here?
And if I was Sturdy I'd tell Frank to shut his mouth or prove he could do what he claims. Otherwise move on or risk getting sued for libel.
I'm not one who likes to get lawyers involved but we've got an obsessive compulsive bad mouthing a product he doesn't, and will never be able to sell and that competes directly with one he does sell. And despite what Keiser claims he does try to sell it on here all the time. Oh that's right it's too subtle for Keiser to see...
WHAT??!! Are you suggesting that Silicon Valley came from China? Are you suggesting that the integrated circuit was invented in China. Are you suggesting that the computer was invented in China. Intel, IBM, Apple did any of these start in China? No, manufacturing moved there because some bean counter determined a few bucks could be saved by doing it. So who's economy is now struggling and who's growing?
Anyhow it takes a lot more than a "made in" stamp to sell a product.
No, I'm not. Tell me why a salesman would say there's a hole, when the photo shows no hole, the description does not mention a hole, and the owner verifies that there was no hole (and of course I'm waiting for confirmation from the safe's owner that there was no hole).
She allegedly likes to make phone calls to verify what I say.
I'm assuming you haven't read any of the other 1,000 plus posts I've made?
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That was the most serious pry bar I have ever seen. I doubt you could pick up one that's bigger.
So we're going to insults now? That's when we know you've really lost the argument. False accusations and name calling. You should work for the Democrats.
Your pry bar was pretty much your weak link there.
You act as if I was fabricating numbers. The numbers I gave were accurate for the safes I was referring to. The new safes had new numbers, which was acknowledged once I confirmed it.
How many safes have you broken in to? Since experience is what you believe determines one's ability to speak about a product, I suggest you go ahead and leave the thread.
How many times have I ended what I have said with "contact me for more information". How many times have they?
have spoken the truth about safes for well over 18 years now.
2) Is badmouthing a product an actionable cause? Might want to google that or something.
Funny I was thinking the same thing about you! Do you just sell their safes or do you have a side deal with their Marketing/PR Department? Full disclosure please.
So now you're quoting someone saying something you want to hear before they've even said it??? I'll remind you the one quote we have from him is that there is a hole that pierced the steel. Until you hear different stop making quotes up.
And you allegedly called the guy who sold the damaged safe? And you allegedly emailed they guy who bought it? And best of all you allegedly know what this guy is going to say before he says it? Wow!
I read plenty and I noticed immediately how manipulative you are.
Funny, I'm not a Democrat, why the name calling? And it wasn't an insult, I probably couldn't pick up a bigger one either and I'm much bigger then you. I said it because you said this in case you forgot...
You were told numerous times, by numerous people that the gauges changed. Yet you kept repeating the old numbers in different threads.
How many Sturdys have you pryed open? How many Sturdy's have you broken into in general? Since you have ZERO experience with them perhaps you're the one who should go ahead and leave.
Them? Maybe a couple of times. You 1232 times. After all your sig with all your info is at the end of every post. That's in itself is saying contact me for me information.
You started selling safes at 13?
Misrepresenting them might be. Especially since you sell the product that competes with them directly.
I was asking about Amsec Frank, not Sturdy. Isn't it time for full disclosure?