The titegrope thread got me thinking I might try some Titegroup for pistol rounds. However that also leaves the possibility of using it to make some subsonic 223 and 308 loads to play with. Has anyone done this? Evidently it’s a somewhat controversial thing to do based on the vid on Johnnys Reloading Bench. I wouldn’t make it a habit but it would be fun to try.
Subsonic 223 and 308 w/ Titegroup
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AJC1
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The primer is more expensive than the 20k of 22lr I have.
Again, I don't see this being that useful in 223 since I have a 22 rifle. However, I do want to just try it for a half dozen shots or so to see if it works. I'm much less likely to try it with my 308, except with some 150 grain FMJ bullets. I'm not sending a 168 grain SMK down range for this type of tinkering.
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I have shot a number of cast and coated 150’s (308) using 10-11 grains of Trailboss. It’s been a few years because 3.1 of N310 and a 147gn 9mm costs less and is good for the same uses.
Never messed with .223 but I don’t cast bullets for it but you might be interested in this,
And this thread.
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?375502-Promising-results-Titegroup-in-308
Never messed with .223 but I don’t cast bullets for it but you might be interested in this,
And this thread.
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?375502-Promising-results-Titegroup-in-308
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Don’t you just love comments like this? The OP wants to try this for fun and asks the forum if anyone’s tried it. So what happens? Some folks tell him that “it’s a waste of components”. I guess fun is now considered a waste of time. SMH….
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Charlie98
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I think the OP is exploring a theoretical question... people are giving him answers, some based on theory, some based on experience. I don't see the problem, it's a discussion.
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We played around with sub 308 loads and a suppressed rifle. We used trailboss and red dot. Quite a bit of fun and shootable without hearing protection for few shots.
JeffG
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Yes. My subsonic 308 loads are Titegroup. I use them in a Savage Hog Hunter with a Gemtech suppressor. I also drill out the primer pockets to 9/64 and use them only for subs. I moly coat 180gr round nose Sierra bullets. Very quiet and very accurate.
It is a discussion. I answered his questions as well as I could. I have done what he asked.
AJC1
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We must change the forum rules from opinions to facts only. Oh wait my facts are correct also. Primer 10 cents, powder 3 cents bullet 15 cents, total 28 cents. That's 3 22 rounds for the same net effect.
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Don’t you love comments like this? The OP was very specific in his request “has anybody done this?” Instead of answering the OP, the poster tells him it’s a “waste of components”. I challenge the poster for not answering the question but instead criticizing the notion of having fun. Then he scrambles to make up something about “facts” and “change the rules” to try to defend his criticism of the OP’s desire to have fun.
I doubt his posts were at all helpful to the OP - which I thought was a major reason for posting a question on this forum. Is a “discussion” which jacks the thread and not only doesn’t help the OP but criticizes his desire to have fun a good idea? SMH yet again.
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AJC1
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At least I addressed the question your two in and critiquing me. Look in the mirror. Your experience is what..... at least do better before fingerpointung.
Yes I’m quite aware of the primer costs. I was going to work up maybe 10 if I did get some Titegroup to see what they were like. If not then I won’t worry about it.
AJC1
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In a 308 it's practical for quiet fun at 50-100 and is effectively a 300 bo and provides the same utility. I got close to those speeds with a cast 150 when first loading unique in 308 so it could be good fun.
Charlie98
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I've heard that a few times. Why the larger hole for subs? Wouldn't a Magnum primer work, in lieu of a larger hole?
If you're going through with it. A similar amount of 700X or Titewad gave more consistent results.
Also a 52gr Speer had a big enough hollow point to be effective.
In 308 I got best results from a cast bullet.
JeffG
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The reason is twofold. It provides a more reliable spark to the powder, and keeps the primer from backing out with a low pressure load. Wax bullet loads for revolvers powered only by primers will back out the primer also in the same manner. You must keep the drilled cases segregated from normal cases.
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Trailboss use if one knows what they're doing, can make for some really great subsonic ammunition in either 300 BO or in 308.
However with other powders that are unknown to me and to the smartest reloaders I know in person who shoot suppressed 100% of the time, I no yolo. Nope, not yolo at all here.
However with other powders that are unknown to me and to the smartest reloaders I know in person who shoot suppressed 100% of the time, I no yolo. Nope, not yolo at all here.
Sounds like it’s probably not worth it even for just experimenting. I already have a cast subsonic load I shoot out of my 336 in 30-30. I probably will try some Titegroup in 9mm, 38, & 357, but only if I see it on the shelf. Im not curious enough for Hazmats charges.
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I've toyed with that idea - 223 subsonic.
I think it makes more sense in a 30+ caliber cartridge . The added mass of the larger projectile makes for a thump. 200 grains at 1000 fps is very different from 40 grains at 1000fps.
With 223 and the 55gr bullet, one ends up with something very similar to the 22 LR with a 40gr.
That being said, I have explored other rifle loadings that were absolutely useless except for giggles at the firing line...which is a valid reason to do it - at least once.
I think it makes more sense in a 30+ caliber cartridge . The added mass of the larger projectile makes for a thump. 200 grains at 1000 fps is very different from 40 grains at 1000fps.
With 223 and the 55gr bullet, one ends up with something very similar to the 22 LR with a 40gr.
That being said, I have explored other rifle loadings that were absolutely useless except for giggles at the firing line...which is a valid reason to do it - at least once.
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