Suppressor should not cost this much!

[Show Me]

I tried those Krinkoff devices, they work, especially in short barrel .22

Along with what I mentioned earlier this is another rub I have with getting one. Yeah I know the Gubment already knows all about me but it's the principle. Kind of the same deal with people falling all over themselves to register those pistol braces. To be fair I have nothing against the suppressors. I actually checked into getting one. My buddy at the LGS suggested I just get a new rifle that was threaded already. I just chuckled and said yeah you know that's another 1500 bucks to get what I want plus glass. I have been shooting high powered rifles and handguns for darn near 70 years. I learned how to deal with noise and recoil without one long ago. Maybe someday if things ever change.

new NRA magazine front cover has one brand buy one get one free. Can they not sell enough

 

[MachIVshooter]

this is a SC 22K .22 can, what would you realistically charge for this design, and still make a comfortable profit?

It would depend on how many, have to amortize programming and fixture making.

Looks like an aluminum monocore in a Ti tube, obviously only threaded on one end, short enough to drill the bore with conventional drills. My Integrex isn't running yet, so that'd be the Mazak SQT15M for turning & threading, then a fixture on the 4 axis VMC to carve it out. Again, short enough that no tailstock is needed, can drill, bore, turn OD & do both threading ops in one set-up, and it'd be pretty fast with aluminum. The VMC could probably carve out the core in under 3 minutes.

Anodizing I don't do in house anymore, don't like dealing with the chemicals, so that'd be an outsource, where again the cost per unit depends on total units.

But even in fairly low quantity, probably under 200. However, the engraving, bead blasting, moly resin application, packaging, filing of forms, communicating with receiving dealers and packing for shipping ends up being significant percentage of cost with something on the low end of the spectrum. Those aspects are not trivial in terms of time. But most of those are also things that have economy of scale; if I were making 10,000, the processes would be different than for 50 or 100. It's not worth ordering up dedicated printed boxes and cut foam inserts that we just drop them into at small quantity, but for thousands, it's totally worth it, just like making a VMC fixture that holds a dozen at a time instead of 1 or 2, machining soft jaws and setting up a bar puller and parts catching basket on the lathe rather than using our split bushings and manually setting the work for each part with low volume.

 

[Mark_Mark]

It would depend on how many, have to amortize programming and fixture making.

Looks like an aluminum monocore in a Ti tube, obviously only threaded on one end, short enough to drill the bore with conventional drills. My Integrex isn't running yet, so that'd be the Mazak SQT15M for turning & threading, then a fixture on the 4 axis VMC to carve it out. Again, short enough that no tailstock is needed, can drill, bore, turn OD & do both threading ops in one set-up, and it'd be pretty fast with aluminum. The VMC could probably carve out the core in under 3 minutes.

Anodizing I don't do in house anymore, don't like dealing with the chemicals, so that'd be an outsource, where again the cost per unit depends on total units.

But even in fairly low quantity, probably under 200. However, the engraving, bead blasting, moly resin application, packaging, filing of forms, communicating with receiving dealers and packing for shipping ends up being significant percentage of cost with something on the low end of the spectrum. Those aspects are not trivial in terms of time. But most of those are also things that have economy of scale; if I were making 10,000, the processes would be different than for 50 or 100. It's not worth ordering up dedicated printed boxes and cut foam inserts that we just drop them into at small quantity, but for thousands, it's totally worth it, just like making a VMC fixture that holds a dozen at a time instead of 1 or 2, machining soft jaws and setting up a bar puller and parts catching basket on the lathe rather than using our split bushings and manually setting the work for each part with low volume.

it literally came in a plastic zip lock bag with laser copier paper instructions. lol!

It’s there 1st generation free promotion BOGO free suppressor. I personally would pay $200 for this! Sales guy didn’t even sound excited about selling it.

 

[LocoGringo]

new NRA magazine front cover has one brand buy one get one free. Can they not sell enough

Silencer Central, and it seems to be a regular occurrence every year around this time. Well, they did it this time last year also. My brother took advantage of it last year at the same time. I bought one just before they did this promo, but I already have 2 rimfire suppressors and don't need/want another one.

They have a unique business model among suppressors in that they have an office in every state that is legal to own a suppressor, so they can ship directly to your house upon ATF approval rather than to another FFL where you have to pick it up. They also include a gun trust at no cost, so if you want other suppressors in the future, you can add them to the trust without extra cost. Eventually, you can add other people to the trust also, if I understand things correctly.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Brother, I’m gonna make it a point to buy my next can from you if I can figure out how. I guess I’ll order it through a LGS? Or should I use Capitol Armory in Austin?

Probably won’t be until
Sometime this Spring, but I really like this one for my Ruger PCC
https://www.eccomachine.net/product/tlx/

You can order yourself, but of course it has to go to a transferring dealer.

We're still trying to navigate working with Capital Armory, we're just in that awkward phase where production is a little much for only selling direct but not enough to have distributors. Trying to get another machine in here, and might have to revisit the employee situation, just tough to find good, skilled people.

Anyway, Jerrica can walk you through it, but it's pretty straight-forward if you have a decent local SOT who is reasonable on transfer fees. Maybe talk to them first, though, as they might want to register as a dealer and make a couple bucks on the can. Or they might feel it's not worth their time, as our wholesale pricing is tiered, so they don't get much off retail with a single can order.

We are out of TLX 9mm again, those went really fast with Black Friday, but we do have some .45 cal TLXs, and Hansohn Brothers will have a couple of the 9mm shortly too.

 

[Buzznrose]

You can order yourself, but of course it has to go to a transferring dealer.

We're still trying to navigate working with Capital Armory, we're just in that awkward phase where production is a little much for only selling direct but not enough to have distributors. Trying to get another machine in here, and might have to revisit the employee situation, just tough to find good, skilled people.

Anyway, Jerrica can walk you through it, but it's pretty straight-forward if you have a decent local SOT who is reasonable on transfer fees. Maybe talk to them first, though, as they might want to register as a dealer and make a couple bucks on the can. Or they might feel it's not worth their time, as our wholesale pricing is tiered, so they don't get much off retail with a single can order.

We are out of TLX 9mm again, those went really fast with Black Friday, but we do have some .45 cal TLXs, and Hansohn Brothers will have a couple of the 9mm shortly too.

I’d be looking for this suppressor for a 9MM carbine, but if it fit up to a .45 ACP, would work great.

I’m not able to buy for a few months so what do you recommend?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I'm not sure that's entirely true first even if they were removed from the NFA you're just not gonna get a suppressor as cheap as a flash can.

It was a hypothetical, simply stating that a Krinkoff or other forcing cone isn't going to do the same job as a suppressor.

I have already covered that there is a price point for every product.

 

[Buzznrose]

You can order yourself, but of course it has to go to a transferring dealer.

We're still trying to navigate working with Capital Armory, we're just in that awkward phase where production is a little much for only selling direct but not enough to have distributors. Trying to get another machine in here, and might have to revisit the employee situation, just tough to find good, skilled people.

Anyway, Jerrica can walk you through it, but it's pretty straight-forward if you have a decent local SOT who is reasonable on transfer fees. Maybe talk to them first, though, as they might want to register as a dealer and make a couple bucks on the can. Or they might feel it's not worth their time, as our wholesale pricing is tiered, so they don't get much off retail with a single can order.

We are out of TLX 9mm again, those went really fast with Black Friday, but we do have some .45 cal TLXs, and Hansohn Brothers will have a couple of the 9mm shortly too.

Thanks. I will check my local range and see what they say. They sell suppressors.

 

[mavracer]

It was a hypothetical, simply stating that a Krinkoff or other forcing cone isn't going to do the same job as a suppressor.

I get that and my first point was to show that your hypothesis was factually incorrect.
My second was to point out the reality that indeed even if the cost margin was small in many cases maximum suppression at additional cost may not appeal to everyone.

CASE IN POINT
There are an awfully lot of K cans that get sold everyday and they're not a lot cheaper nor is price often the deciding factor.

 

[greyling22]

If there were no NFA, a suppressor with premium materials due to economies of scale, demand and lack of governmental regulation would be in the $400-500 range if not cheaper.

Especially, as more and more manufacturers are going towards 3D printing suppressors and muzzle devices. Primary Weapons is one such example.

I suspect they would be well under $200

 

[Capybara]

I live in California so cannot even own a suppressor.

But I have shot suppressed in the UK and France and yes, you guys are all getting royally ripped off. In the EU, on average, a 22lr suppressor is around 70-75 euro ($82.00) / .223 is around 140 euro ($154) / 9mm is around 140 euro as well ($154). In most countries, anyone can buy one, even if they don't own a firearm and they are sold at hardware stores (saw this in France) as well as gun stores. Our system is completely backwards in regards to suppressors here, it's a safety device, not an "enhancement" that makes makes firearms more deadly. Needing a tax stamp, ATF vetting and approval and a long, expensive and convoluted process to obtain one is ludicrous and ridiculous.

 

[Anchorite]

I live in California so cannot even own a suppressor.

But I have shot suppressed in the UK and France and yes, you guys are all getting royally ripped off. In the EU, on average, a 22lr suppressor is around 70-75 euro ($82.00) / .223 is around 140 euro ($154) / 9mm is around 140 euro as well ($154). In most countries, anyone can buy one, even if they don't own a firearm and they are sold at hardware stores (saw this in France) as well as gun stores. Our system is completely backwards in regards to suppressors here, it's a safety device, not an "enhancement" that makes makes firearms more deadly. Needing a tax stamp, ATF vetting and approval and a long, expensive and convoluted process to obtain one is ludicrous and ridiculous.

Capitalism? Same reason US taxpayers spend millions on US munitions….profit motives of the industrial military complex

 

[Mark_Mark]

I live in California so cannot even own a suppressor.

But I have shot suppressed in the UK and France and yes, you guys are all getting royally ripped off. In the EU, on average, a 22lr suppressor is around 70-75 euro ($82.00) / .223 is around 140 euro ($154) / 9mm is around 140 euro as well ($154). In most countries, anyone can buy one, even if they don't own a firearm and they are sold at hardware stores (saw this in France) as well as gun stores. Our system is completely backwards in regards to suppressors here, it's a safety device, not an "enhancement" that makes makes firearms more deadly. Needing a tax stamp, ATF vetting and approval and a long, expensive and convoluted process to obtain one is ludicrous and ridiculous.

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