Survival Scenarios. Which Rifle and Why?
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wickedsprint
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Semi-auto .308 would also be an excellent choice, M1-A.
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Brian are/were you an electrician?
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dougiefreshhh
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TEC - for small game/staying below the radar, I'm with you.
I have a Gamo breakbarrel .177cal pellet gun that will rip up to 1200fps if using the right pellets. Not good for concealment. 1000fps standard (better accuracy) pellets. 500pellets=$8.
Its something i use to teach the kiddos about safety, shooting positions, sighting, marksmenship, etc..and we can shoot it in the backyard! Unlike my .223.
If the fed's want you dead, and you are isolated, concealment is your best friend. Too many people playing CoD4 on XBox thinking they can single handedly take out 50 zombies and an M1 tank with an AR.
22LR subsonic ammo, or 22short is another option if you want to carry powder.
I have a Gamo breakbarrel .177cal pellet gun that will rip up to 1200fps if using the right pellets. Not good for concealment. 1000fps standard (better accuracy) pellets. 500pellets=$8.
Its something i use to teach the kiddos about safety, shooting positions, sighting, marksmenship, etc..and we can shoot it in the backyard! Unlike my .223.
If the fed's want you dead, and you are isolated, concealment is your best friend. Too many people playing CoD4 on XBox thinking they can single handedly take out 50 zombies and an M1 tank with an AR.
22LR subsonic ammo, or 22short is another option if you want to carry powder.
Vern Humphrey
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I agree that Ohio has to have jungles. Which tree did Dennis Kucinich climb down out of?
Maverick223
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Don't think it can be classified as a jungle though, a rainforest is far more dense.
Add in a little kudzu and you have a party.
Both are native (well it is now) to NC.Uncle Mike
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Are you for REAL?
Maverick223
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Nope, I'm a robot sent by the ATF to infiltrate the last few pockets of the resistance.
m4joey94
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m4 carbine + red dot scope (ammo is widely avail., great all around)
beretta 70 (cheap, widely found ammo)
ka bar knife
beretta 70 (cheap, widely found ammo)
ka bar knife
ArfinGreebly
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Survival . . . ?
I live in a place where a "survival rifle" isn't a frivolous consideration.
The rifle I carry in the truck is a Marlin P70SS, (Papoose, .22LR take-down rifle). Along with it is some 600 or so rounds of various .22LR ammo, including CCI Stingers and such.
If I'm "caught with my pants down" out in the woods, or even several minutes from home, that's what I'll have on any given day of the week, whether there's a pistol in the mix or not.
Now, if I had some kind of heads-up that there might be a heavier emergency on its way to a neighborhood near me (exceptionally bad weather, social unrest, whatever) and if I had time to make the adjustment in advance, and if I were constrained to the original list of possibilities, I'd take the nearest thing I have to "an AR variant" -- my SU-16A -- and keep that handy.
It's AR-mag compatible, weighs less than 5 lbs, folds up for pack carry, has a low-maintenance piston/op-rod system, eats common ammo, is rabbit-accurate inside a hundred yards, is effective and heads-down accurate at 300.
I should probably get a scope for it. Never can tell when you'll need rabbit accuracy at 200 yards.
So much for playing by the rules.
If I get to pick from my stable, I might well pick something a little more versatile. I'm kinda with Brian on the 1894C. It's good for pretty much anything from rabbit to elk.
It's mechanically simple so, if you're at large for an extended period, maintenance is generally not a burden. It uses a common ammo family with a wide range of loadings. It's a common-looking machine that doesn't broadly inspire dread, yet the effectiveness of the "plain old cowboy rifle" is well enough known that you won't have folks "volunteering to be first" when things get tense.
If we change the scenario to "only what you can carry" then ammo quantity becomes a large factor, and -- assuming it's a "stay alive and stay fed" kind of situation -- the venerable .22 rises to the top of the list. Only, given the choice, I do believe I might go with the Marlin 39A. Yes, it's twice as heavy as the Papoose, but it has an 18-round magazine (the Papoose has six or seven) and I've just found out mine is minute-of-baseball-accurate at 75-100 yards -- better if I'm shooting from a rest.
Those are my most obvious picks. If we do some contortions and cook up some more obscure scenarios, I might grab something else.
Heck, if I knew that rate-of-fire would be more important than flexibility, and I needed something light, compact, and ordinary-looking, I'd likely grab the M1 Carbine. Ammo is lighter and more compact than most other rifles, and in rate-of-fire contexts you're less worried about rabbits and more worried about keeping the social unrest du jour at a distance.
"Survival" has so many possible contexts that you might well write a small book and not exhaust the possibilities.
I live in a place where a "survival rifle" isn't a frivolous consideration.
The rifle I carry in the truck is a Marlin P70SS, (Papoose, .22LR take-down rifle). Along with it is some 600 or so rounds of various .22LR ammo, including CCI Stingers and such.
If I'm "caught with my pants down" out in the woods, or even several minutes from home, that's what I'll have on any given day of the week, whether there's a pistol in the mix or not.
Now, if I had some kind of heads-up that there might be a heavier emergency on its way to a neighborhood near me (exceptionally bad weather, social unrest, whatever) and if I had time to make the adjustment in advance, and if I were constrained to the original list of possibilities, I'd take the nearest thing I have to "an AR variant" -- my SU-16A -- and keep that handy.
It's AR-mag compatible, weighs less than 5 lbs, folds up for pack carry, has a low-maintenance piston/op-rod system, eats common ammo, is rabbit-accurate inside a hundred yards, is effective and heads-down accurate at 300.
I should probably get a scope for it. Never can tell when you'll need rabbit accuracy at 200 yards.
So much for playing by the rules.
If I get to pick from my stable, I might well pick something a little more versatile. I'm kinda with Brian on the 1894C. It's good for pretty much anything from rabbit to elk.
It's mechanically simple so, if you're at large for an extended period, maintenance is generally not a burden. It uses a common ammo family with a wide range of loadings. It's a common-looking machine that doesn't broadly inspire dread, yet the effectiveness of the "plain old cowboy rifle" is well enough known that you won't have folks "volunteering to be first" when things get tense.
If we change the scenario to "only what you can carry" then ammo quantity becomes a large factor, and -- assuming it's a "stay alive and stay fed" kind of situation -- the venerable .22 rises to the top of the list. Only, given the choice, I do believe I might go with the Marlin 39A. Yes, it's twice as heavy as the Papoose, but it has an 18-round magazine (the Papoose has six or seven) and I've just found out mine is minute-of-baseball-accurate at 75-100 yards -- better if I'm shooting from a rest.
Those are my most obvious picks. If we do some contortions and cook up some more obscure scenarios, I might grab something else.
Heck, if I knew that rate-of-fire would be more important than flexibility, and I needed something light, compact, and ordinary-looking, I'd likely grab the M1 Carbine. Ammo is lighter and more compact than most other rifles, and in rate-of-fire contexts you're less worried about rabbits and more worried about keeping the social unrest du jour at a distance.
"Survival" has so many possible contexts that you might well write a small book and not exhaust the possibilities.
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Some good ideas in this thread. A number of good choices, but some are not too realistic imho. I am leaning toward my CZ 452 and .357 revolver. But my AR would be useful as well as my 7mm or AK or 06. The answer that is most intersting to me is TEC's PCP. I would chose a .22lr over a break action pellet gun. But the pcp airrifle has some real advantages in a realistic scenario for us who think of hiding out in a rural area. I wonder about reliability as in seal life and pumps as well as expensive and hard to find parts.
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I live in the backwoods of minnesota. It's a small farm and I surrounded by large farms. The nearest people are two miles away. The nearest paved road is 3 miles away. The nearest town is 10 miles away. I would probably pick an AR-15 of those three choices.
1. I am former army so I have lots of expensive training thanks to uncle sam.
2. It is the most accurate of the bunch
3. Local LEO's have ARs-so more ammo/mags/parts can be found easy
4. I can take deer with an AR just fine (biggest animal around besides my horse)
5. Coyotes don't stand a chance with an AR
6. My Amish neighbors think my AR is cool.
7. An ar-15 works as well for hunting as it does in conflict.
I own one because it is the one gun that could feasibly do it all. In a perfect scenario I would have multiple guns like I do in real life. Thats why I have a 10/22, a Tikka T3 (.308), Ar-15 (5.56), 4 shotguns (870 for slugs, BPS for waterfowl/trap, 870 turkey gun, 590A1 for defense), and a couple of pistols (beretta 96fs, Springfield 1911A1).
1. I am former army so I have lots of expensive training thanks to uncle sam.
2. It is the most accurate of the bunch
3. Local LEO's have ARs-so more ammo/mags/parts can be found easy
4. I can take deer with an AR just fine (biggest animal around besides my horse)
5. Coyotes don't stand a chance with an AR
6. My Amish neighbors think my AR is cool.
7. An ar-15 works as well for hunting as it does in conflict.
I own one because it is the one gun that could feasibly do it all. In a perfect scenario I would have multiple guns like I do in real life. Thats why I have a 10/22, a Tikka T3 (.308), Ar-15 (5.56), 4 shotguns (870 for slugs, BPS for waterfowl/trap, 870 turkey gun, 590A1 for defense), and a couple of pistols (beretta 96fs, Springfield 1911A1).
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