Swapping barrel on a Colt Python

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I have an old and neglected Colt Python 4". The trigger is smooth and lockup is tight, however the barrel has rust in it and the rifling is barely evident. I picked up a 6" barrel from the GS for next to nothing. I would like to swap them out.

question #1 = How do I unscrew the 4" barrel from the receiver? I've tried putting the frame in a wood vise and turning the barrel counter-clockwise with a rag covered 12" adjustable wrench. It just won't budge. Thought about applying heat but did not want to anneal the frame. I've also soaked the whole gun in Kroil for several months. I also don't see where it is pinned in any way.

question #2 - If and when I do get the 4" barrel removed and install the 6", will the sights line up after tightening? Or would I be better off taking the whole thing to a gunsmith if machining is required?

This gun is in very poor condition as it was found in a cornfield during planting. Spotty rust on the outside but good condition on the springs and trigger. Had to use a copper bore brush w/Kroil to get the cylinders cleaned up enough to get a bullet to chamber. I figure the least amount of money I can spend on it the better. Who knows, if I can get it to shoot I may send it to Colt to have it refinished. It would probably still have some pits in the finish but it would look a lot better than it does now.

Thanks for all your help!
Joe's
 
Stop before you ruin the gun's frame.

I recently had a barrel swapped by a qualified gunsmith. It cost me $125.

If I had the gun and barrel that you describe, I would send it to Colt for the swap and then have the gun refinished. Sure, it would cost a bit, but would be well worth it in the end, IMO.
 
If that gun was in a field for a great lengnth of time I wouldn't get my hopes up.

You might want to get it inspected by a local gunsmith to see if he thinks that Colt is salvageable.

If you send it to Colt in that condition you might get quite a repair bill, plus shipping.

Can you post some pics? Especially of the chambers and internals?
 
Stop before you have to change your name to "Bubba." Find a qualified 'smith before you wind up with a paper weight. Just my $0.02 worth.
 
OP,
Without the proper holding fixtures you are most likely to ruin your gun by springing the frame. You can't just chuck it up in a vise and crank on the barrel. You need to find a smith with the proper tooling. Not just my opinion but fact.
 
Make sure the two have the same threads. Colt changed that in '91 I think.
It might look pretty close as I think the TPI's are 32 (old) vs 36.
From the outside, the old bbls have two pins to hold their sight and the new ones only one pin.
 
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Here's something I wrote some time ago on how a revolver barrel is changed.
It isn't just a matter of screwing a barrel off and screwing another on and going shooting.
What you're about to do, if you haven't already, is to ruin an expensive Python.
Send it in to Colt and let the experts change it the RIGHT way:
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A common question is “How do I change my revolvers barrel”?

Barrel work is a MAJOR pistolsmithing job and requires a considerable amount of very expensive equipment.
It involves a lot of steps that most people, including a surprising number of gunsmiths, don’t even know is required.
Failure to do the job correctly insures an inaccurate revolver at best, and a destroyed frame at worst.

The common do-it-yourself technique is to use “expedient” tooling techniques that are found in old gunsmithing books, and can still be found mentioned occasionally in gun magazines.
These methods range from wrapping rope around the barrel and using it with a stick to form a sort of tourniquet to unscrew the barrel, to the most common, which is to use a hammer handle through the frame window as a “wrench”.

The hammer handle method is to make up a pair of wood barrel blocks for the barrel.
The barrel is sandwiched between the blocks, and are locked in a shop vice. One writer said to “Tighten the vise until your eyes bugged out”.
A hammer handle or a shaped wooden 2x4 is shoved through the frame and is used as a “wrench” to twist the frame off.
The new barrel is fitted by hand filing the barrel shoulder until the front sight is at 12:00, the rear of the barrel is filed, if necessary, to provide a small gap between the barrel and the cylinder, and you’re off to the range to shoot your fresh re-barrel.

At least that’s how it’s touted as working.

In reality, when the hammer handle is used to turn the frame, one of two things happen:
Either the frame bends, or it breaks.
Revolver frames are a lot softer and easier to bend then most people suspect, and when the frame itself is used as a wrench, the frame will almost always bend.
Once bent, the frame is ruined even though it may still be shoot-able.
A bent frame will often have timing problems, and always has alignment problems. All of which cause inaccuracy and possible spitting of bullet metal.
Some owners who’ve tried this method of barrel work, are surprised that the factories do not have some kind of machine or device that will straighten the frame like bent car frames can sometimes be straightened.
The fact is, once bent the frame can never be repaired, and the best a factory can do is replace it.

The second thing that can happen is the frame will break.
If you look at a revolver frame just under the area where the barrel screws in, you’ll see that the frame is very thin in this area.
When the unsupported frame is unscrewed with the handle, it can crack right through the threaded portion.
While there are ways to weld the crack, the very high expense of having a top level custom pistolsmith/welder do it is very prohibitive, and is reserved for repairs to revolvers of high historical value, with NO guarantee that it will work.

The advice to hand file the barrel shoulder to align the barrel and to file the end of the barrel to provide the barrel/cylinder gap always ruins the barrel, since it’s near impossible to keep the surfaces perfectly square.
The result is tilted barrels due to uneven shoulders, and the end of the barrel not square with the cylinder.

When re-barreling a revolver, the first thing you need is a USABLE barrel.
This is much harder to get then you’d think, since a good percentage of barrels for sale at gun shows and on eBay are defective.
Major reasons for selling a used barrel are, the barrel was defective to start with, or it was damaged during removal, using the hammer handle method.
This damage may not always be readily apparent, and sometimes isn’t revealed until the pistolsmith attempts to install it.
Damage can run from tiny cracks in the forcing cone to pitted bores, to bent barrels.
I once saw a Diamondback barrel that someone had TWISTED, probably by attempting to unscrew it from the frame the wrong way.
This wasn’t apparent until, suspicious, I checked it with a straight edge.

Cracks in the forcing cone are common, and contrary to popular opinion, a cracked barrel is almost always toast.
Cracks in steel tend to continue to spread, even if you cut the cracked end off, since cracks are a sign of metal fatigue caused by blast damage.
Some gunsmiths will attempt to save a barrel with a cracked forcing cone by setting the barrel back, but this almost always fails, and the crack continues to spread forward.

Here’s a brief description of how a revolver barrel is changed correctly:
First, the barrel is locked in a special barrel vise.
I had two, one was a small scale copy of the larger hydraulic jack type vises that gunsmiths use to change out rifle barrels.
I used this one for older round barrels like the Colt Official Police.
The second vise was large Wilton vise with heavily modified jaws.
I had sets of custom machined brass or aluminum barrel inserts that were fitted to specific makes and models.
As example I had sets for Pythons, Trooper Mark III’s, King Cobras, shrouded Detective Specials, etc.
These inserts are installed around the barrel, then clamped in the barrel vise.

The action, or frame wrench, is installed on the frame.
This wrench is a universal revolver wrench that fits around the front of the frame. It is fitted with brand and type specific hard plastic inserts.
These inserts very closely fit the front of the frame around and below the barrel area to fully support the frame.
Again, I had inserts for specific guns. I had one set for Colt “E & I” frames, another set for “J” frames, another set for “D” frames, etc.
These inserts support the frame and spread the torque over a wider area to allow unscrewing the frame without over stressing the frame and damaging it.

With the frame and barrel tightly locked up, and with no “spring” to the setup, the barrel is unscrewed.

With the barrel off, the frame threads are cleaned up with brass brushes, solvent, and if necessary are “chased” with a tap to insure clean, uniform threads.
The replacement barrel is closely inspected and it’s threads are cleaned and chased with a die if necessary.

The barrel is test fitted to the frame to determine where the front sight is and how much material has to be removed to allow the front sight to be at 12:00 top-dead-center after being torqued in place.
How much to remove is largely a judgment call based on experience.
Using a lathe or a bench trimming device, that amount of metal is removed from the barrel shoulder.
The barrel threads are coated with anti-seize compound and the barrel is threaded on the frame, everything is relocked in the barrel vise and frame wrench, and the barrel is torqued in place.
If the barrel is torqued with insufficient torque the barrel will vibrate loose.
Too much and you run the risk of pressure dimpling or constricting the bore in the thread area, or even cracking the frame.

With the barrel in place, the barrel/cylinder gap must be set.
This is done with a special cutter tool that works down the bore.
A Tee-handle rod is put down the bore and a cutter tool is attached on the end. The rod is pulled outward and rotated, trimming the end of the barrel.
Care has to be taken to insure the end of the barrel is not scalloped from uneven pressure.

With the barrel/cylinder gap set to an ideal .005”, the forcing cone has to be re-cut.
The forcing cone is very misunderstood, and even some gunsmiths have no idea it has to be re-cut and gaged or that it must be gaged at all.
The critical dimension of the cone is not it’s “length” or taper, but the outer diameter of the mouth.
If the outer mouth is too big, the gun will be inaccurate. Too small and it’s inaccurate AND will spit bullet metal.

The same Tee handle tool is inserted down the bore, but this time a cone-shaped cutter head is attached.
The cutter heads come in various tapers, and you can set a barrel for exclusive use with lead bullets by using a longer taper, or for jacketed with shorter tapers.
The factories use a good compromise that works with everything.
The Tee handle is pulled outward, pulling the cutter into the forcing cone. The handle is rotated and the cutter head cuts the cone.
Again, care is taken to prevent scalloping and the progress is checked often with a special plug gage.
This drop-in plug gage gages the outer diameter of the cone. The difference between too large and too small is very small, so gauging is done often.
The cone cannot be "eyeballed", it has to be gaged.

After the cone is cut, yet another head is attached to the Tee handle, this time a brass cone-shaped lapping head.
Valve grinding compound is applied to the lap, and the forcing cone is lapped to a smooth finish.

After lapping, the barrel and frame is carefully cleaned of all metal chips and lapping compound, and the revolver is reassembled.
The last step is firing the revolver for function, and to check accuracy off the sandbags.

As you can see, there’s a LOT more involved than first thought, and all steps are CRITICAL.
Unless you’re willing to invest quite a bit of money in custom made tooling and spend the time learning how to properly use it, attempting a do-it-yourself re-barrel job is a very fast way to ruin a good gun.
 
If I found an expensive gun in a field I would assume that it was poorly disposed of.

A barrel swap is definitely in order unless you know exactly when the time period for which you need an alibi.


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dfariswheel,
Thank You so much for the comprehensive outline for whats involved in changing out a barrel. I thought it may be that involved. I think I'll send it to Colt and get an estimate as to cost to see if the (new to me) 6" is even good to use as a replacement.
Thank You All for all the great comments.

Be Well,
Joe's
 
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Before I would do a barrel swap... Have you cleaned the barrel and tried a few shots? I would take a couple dozen lead bullet loads (medium power) to the range and polish out that barrel after a good cleaning with a rust solvent. Put some metal polish in the forcing cone with a Q tip. Load one round and fire at a 15 yard target for accuracy. Repeat 5 times. Clean barrel. Visually look closly at the interior. Repeat the 5 shot procedure at least 3 times always firing for 5 shot accuracy so you know if there is improvement. If after 25 rounds there is no accuracy improvement and revolver is shooting patterns far wider than what you or another good revolver shooter is able to do then I would swap a barrel. You would be surprised what an ugly barrel is capable of. Purchased a 1892 Winchester 44/40 SRC here made in 1907. It was all rust inside. Pitted barrel with interupted rifling. As bought it would not hit a brick at 20 yards. But after a good work over I can hit pop cans at 35 yards. Not stellar but it shoots good enough to plink about the desert.
Mike in Peru
 
if I found an expensive gun in a field the first thing I would think is that it had been used in a crime and disposed of.

Maybe.


Still...I bet there are more cornfields than criminals in Iowa!

A 4in 357 is an ideal feild gun, someone was prolly carrying this while hunting, along with a rifle/shotgun.

They might have been tracking/ scaring up deer and dropped it.

Might be a good idea to ask around to see if any neighbors or people who have had permission to hunt on the property have lost one in the past.


Now, if it was a Glock 9 or some other gun not suited for field use I would wonder.
 
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There are two types of Python barrels threading and I don't think they are interchangeable.
 
They aren't.

The original Python barrel has two pins in the front sight.
The threads are .5634-32.

When they changed to the new threads they also changed the front sight to a single pin to identify new style barrels.
These have .562-36 threads.
 
If you found a gun while planting, you must be a farmer. Being a farmer myself, I am surprised that you didn't use your oxy-acet with rosebud tip and cheater bar to remove the barrel quickly.

I have a Python that spent several years on a garage floor in a cardboard box. It was in terrible condition when I got it. <Long story short> I sent the gun back to Colt. They reblued rebarrelled, and completely overhauled my Python. I can't say enough good about them. It was like getting a brand new gun back. I honestly don't remember the cost. It must have been reasonable.
 
Definitely return it to Colt. And put away the pipe wrench. Please.

Jim
 
They might have been tracking/ scaring up deer and dropped it.

abso-freaking-lutely

I am not accusing anyone of anything.

Just saying, when you don't know a guns history, there is potential liability
 
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