Swedish Police, What Are They Carrying?

[Speedo66]

Have followed the cowardly terrorist attack yesterday in Stockholm very closely, my wife is currently visiting family there, I'm seeing photos of armed Swedish police in the news.

You rarely see any force there carrying anything but pistols except those guarding the Royal Palace who are military rather than civilian police.

This photo shows the police carrying rifles, they look like supressed AR's with Magpul window mags to me. Can anyone with better eyes and more knowledge positively ID what rifles, and pistols if you can ID from the grips, they're carrying?

Amazing to me that the Swedes, who have done so much for so many nationalities and are not combatants, would be attacked, but I guess I'm looking for logic where there is none.

 

[tomturkey]

Not a real gun man so I have no idea about your question.

By the looks of most of the pedestrians seeing the officers does not disturb them. Idiot terrorists in Sweden should remember that all of the males in Sweden have two years in the military.

 

[Captain33036]

SIG's?

 

[Acera]

I believe they are Colts manufactured in Canada under the Diemaco name. Probably a C8 SFW.


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[jbm]

Amazing to me that the Swedes, who have done so much for so many nationalities and are not combatants, would be attacked, but I guess I'm looking for logic where there is none.

I will never understand this kind of thinking. I don't think this is even "looking for logic". I think you're being naive. Do you think anti-gun people will leave you alone if you don't bother them? Of course not. They have an agenda. They (terrorists, anti-gunners, whoever) will follow that agenda. If you make it easy for them, so be it. What we have to do is stop making it easy for them.

 

[Axis II]

all I have to say is I want to go there and become a cop cause they have some bad ass stuff!!!

 

[lemaymiami]

When your country goes to some lengths to be a haven for "refugees" coming from war torn areas... it would be a great idea to do your best to make sure there are as few radicals among them as possible. Recent news about the Swedish government's doing the best that they can to overlook and minimize problems with their immigrant communities doesn't give me a great deal of confidence that Sweden will remain a "peaceful country".... Kind of reminds me of Belgium and the troubles they've faced - only a bit earlier in the process (before they found out the hard way just how badly they'd done....).

 

[grampajack]

Man, those guys are so freaking tacticool!

Looks like LWRC rifles to me.

 

[Sunray]

LWRC M6. Copy of the M4. Made by LWRC International LLC, Stateside. Isn't issued to all Swedish coppers though.
https://www.lwrci.com/p-492-m6-g.aspx
The Diemaco name is gone. Our idiot government basically gave 'em to Colt Industries in 2005. Nothin like having foreigners owning the company that makes your military kit. Foreigners own the company making the CF's ammo too.

 

[herrwalther]

Handguns looks like Sigs to me. All seem to have weapon lights on them as well. Looks like Surefire X300s. The officer to the far right appears to have a grip over mold and an extended magazine. Many US police departments can be rather strict about using stock everything for their officers.

 

[Havok7416]

Anyone else notice the guy with the shielf has his pistol already drawn? Is it not possible to draw a pistol out of that type of holster one-handed? They don't seem like they are responding to a specific threat in this picture.

 

[9mmepiphany]

pistols if you can ID from the grips, they're carrying?

Those are SIGs. Judging by the magazine width and baseplate, I'd guess they are the 9mm P226

 

[GRIZ22]

Anyone else notice the guy with the shielf has his pistol already drawn? Is it not possible to draw a pistol out of that type of holster one-handed? They don't seem like they are responding to a specific threat in this picture.

I've never seen a holster that required two hands to draw the pistol.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Anyone else notice the guy with the shielf has his pistol already drawn? Is it not possible to draw a pistol out of that type of holster one-handed? They don't seem like they are responding to a specific threat in this picture.

That holster is a Safariland SLS and is very easy to draw from one-handed.

I would think that since he can't have his rifle at the ready as his teammates do, he's just as ready as they are with his sidearm

 

[Havok7416]

I see. I've never seen that before and it just struck me as odd.

 

[bearcreek]

all I have to say is I want to go there and become a cop cause they have some bad ass stuff!!!

Be thankful you live in the USA. You, as a civilian, can legally have everything that the cops have in that picture. Don't have to be a cop. Sweden, not even close.

 

[mjsdwash]

can't answer your question, but wow, thats gotta embarrass the EU to have militarized police in the streets in daylight patrolling their social paradise. Im certain they (EU, and national governments) would love to pretend such a thing doesn't exist. I hope the civilians are watching as they try to ban firearms across Europe.

 

[mjsdwash]

Anyone else notice the guy with the shielf has his pistol already drawn? Is it not possible to draw a pistol out of that type of holster one-handed? They don't seem like they are responding to a specific threat in this picture.

if this is right after the car attack, or they had reason to suspect another, a reasonable perception of threat is literally in every direction, at all time. Imagine every car you see could be a weapon, and there could be one around the corner. Group attacks, and staged attacks are also big in Europe, so add on top of that that every person you see could be ready to attack. Thats gotta justify being drawn. Imagine the stress.

 

[Ignition Override]

Hopefully their weapons (and ammo selections) are chosen to be able to penetrate most truck windshields at fairly oblique angles.

Their police departments might have benefited from discussions with former spec ops guys who now manage security consulting firms.

It's impossible for me to imagine that many Viking warriors/traders etc departed that homeland we now call Sweden, and went as far as the Black Sea and beyond.

 

[Havok7416]

if this is right after the car attack, or they had reason to suspect another, a reasonable perception of threat is literally in every direction, at all time. Imagine every car you see could be a weapon, and there could be one around the corner. Group attacks, and staged attacks are also big in Europe, so add on top of that that every person you see could be ready to attack. Thats gotta justify being drawn. Imagine the stress.

No need for me to imagine anything. I worked overseas with nothing but a T-shirt and a pair of sunglasses (pants were optional). What I can't imagine is that their stress was higher than mine seeing as I didn't have a weapon or armor (or sometimes pants!).* I never did see a soldier - of any nation - with only a pistol draw it for any threat except when they were actually using it. Obviously the Swedes do things differently and that's fine. Being that the guy pictured has a shield though, I would think he would be better suited to providing mobile cover to his rifle-carrying buddies.

Looking at the photo again, the officer on the left has yellow bands on his magazines. Kind of makes me think of the rubber bands they make for .300 Blackout mags.



*Ok, we did actually have to wear pants, but they were thin!

 

[9mmepiphany]

...thats gotta embarrass the EU to have militarized police in the streets in daylight patrolling their social paradise.

Judging from the reaction of the passerbys in that picture, I'd say you might be overstating that reaction. Bear in mind that Sweden, like Switzerland, have a long martial history

 

[hq]

Idiot terrorists in Sweden should remember that all of the males in Sweden have two years in the military.

Actually it's up to 12 months + rehearsals, like in Finland. Swedish conscription was put on hold in 2010 and reintroduced to a limited group of youths starting next year. I'm not sure how much urban and guerrilla warfare training is included but we got quite a bit of that in the day, including using enemy, vintage and improvised weapons and explosives. That might give a collective advantage in urban environment, providing that a much larger number of civilians were armed on a daily basis; nowadays only grandfathered CCW permits issued before mid 1990's are valid and even they are subject to interpretation.

The major issue is that training is concentrated in making the situation a living hell to a large occupying force, not so much to clandestine terrorists in a peacetime environment.

 

[Speedo66]

Yes, the draft in Sweden was recently reinstated, for both males and females.

As far as a gun culture there, not all the surplus Swedish Mausers came here. They're still very popular there for target shooting and hunting. Hunting licenses there, if I remember correctly, require knowledge of the game you'll be hunting, demonstrated shooting ability, and proof of a place to hunt.

They take these things seriously, just as they do their driver's licensing. It's not once around the block at 25 and a parallel park, a driving test includes responding to induced skids on slick surfaces, etc. You must actually be a competent driver to pass the licensing test. Also, DWI is taken very seriously, one drink will put you over the limit.

 

[Axis II]

Be thankful you live in the USA. You, as a civilian, can legally have everything that the cops have in that picture. Don't have to be a cop. Sweden, not even close.

yeah but that would mean I would have to buy it on my own. . Most our sherrifs and pd's ran around with highpoints carbines or Vietnam m16.

 

[commygun]

The Swedes use all three of the metal-frame 9mm Sigs.