Talk of Violence Amongst Radical Hispanic Activists

[wooderson]

The income of Jews in America is, per capita, higher than any other ethnic group, are you suggesting that there is a legal bias that favors them?

"Legal bias" is your phrase, buddy. Not mine.

Under-represented? Is it written in stone that the make-up of a body must comform exactly to the percentages of people in the general population? Can I claim discrimination because whites are under-represented in the NBA?

If you can show that the NBA has routinely denied equally-talented whites a chance - yes, of course.

Is your argument that white males are simply more qualified, as a class, to govern?

If govt hiring standards are giving extra weight to minorities because they're minorities then that is de facto discrimination against whites.

But if government hiring standards have traditionally favored a disproportionate number of whites, that's acceptable and shouldn't even be questioned?

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And wooderson, listen to longeyes. He is suggesting that we don't consider race at all, and instead treat people as individuals. He is suggesting true colorblindness. How can you argue with that?

Because it's a fantasy in this world. Just as I can't 'call for' a world without religious strife.

It's very easy to say "well, just ignore race" from a position of authority and power. It's not so easy when you're not a white male.

Obviously the goal is a "color-blind society" - but no such thing exists and sticking one's head in the sand isn't going to accomplish it.

Look, there are Hispanics within the radical community who wish to do violence.

To which I offer the same question again:
Who? What are their numbers? What have they done? Where is the evidence that they pose a threat to my predominately-Welsh butt?

 

[wooderson]

Should I sue you for being racist, now? I never once used ANY terms known as deragotory or racist, yet YOU have, you racist. Your true nature is now known. Sorry you keep thinking I am a misinformed racist white guy, when I said no such thing, and have read the actual information written by Aztlan members in prison.

Um, yeah.

I really fail to see how calling myself a honkie means I insulted you or made a racist remark, or inspired your rant in general.

But OK, buddy, I'm a horrible racist who hates white people. Including me.

 

[wooderson]

All men (persons) indeed, not all groups.

Equality under the law (or in the eyes of any or no diety) does not logically infer, imply or even suggest that "equality of outcomes" is possible. It has nothing to do with the "endgame", it's all about an equal shot from wherever fate has you start out.

Groups are made of persons. Isolated events are meaningless - if I hit the Mega Millions tomorrow, my newfound wealth has nought to do with the circumstances of first-generation-Texan working-class Welsh-Scots with Anglican backgrounds.

You have to look at the aggregate to get a sense of reality.

Equality of opportunity does not exist: that's the point. Equality of outcomes is irrelevant until you've dealt with opportunity.

 

[doubleg]

America is dying...BUY GUNS NOW!!!

 

[wooderson]

Well yes, when you pick extremes, and then go under the stereotypical pretense that no minorities live in more affluent areas, I suppose I'd have to agree with your views.

Would you like to start placing bets as to the demographics of areas by income? Or specifically Highland Park/Oak Cliff? Or 'the city' and 'the suburbs'?

Discussions should never about the few (exceptions) or the all - they should be about the middle. What is most representative of a class, of a people, the most complete portrait we can draw of a group's circumstances.

One extreme is derived heavily from simple luck of the draw as much as 'hard work' or 'skill' - the other is an impossibility. Focusing on the median and on overall statistics, you develop a more accurate picture of the current and future possibilities.

Yet in 2002 I pulled in barely $25,000 as a Rent-a-cop, and carried health insurance for myself and my wife. If it's a priority for you, you can do it.

Not subsidized by the company whatsoever? Not even a discount as part of a benefits package?

What if you don't make $25,000 a year?

What if you're in a high-risk category based on either race or family history?

What if you've got three kids? (My solution is easy there - I ain't got any.) What if you live in an area with a higher cost of living than where you were?

It's very easy to make blanket statements based on personal circumstances - the key is to know when you're not the test case.

No, it assumes that you should be willing to do something in exchange for said services. Again, if it is a priority in your life it is attainable.

"Willing to do something in exchange" is great. I, for one, would have joyfully signed up for a national service program out of high school (even if I didn't need GI Bill-esque benefits). I still would today, if such a program existed.

I would not have joined the military, because I was and am morally opposed.

You can't just assume that everyone should be willing to bite it in Iraq for the possibility of GI benefits (and I've known more than a few people who got screwed by the government in those).

 

[Glock Glockler]

"Legal bias" is your phrase, buddy. Not mine

No problem, would you prefer "institutional bias"? I just want to know how you plan on dealing with this situation, obviously there is an inbalance in the distribution of wealth among ethnic groups, granted it's odd considering that Jews were discriminated against not only in the US but also in Europe, but somehow they managed to become successful.

If you can show that the NBA has routinely denied equally-talented whites a chance - yes, of course.

Is your argument that white males are simply more qualified, as a class, to govern

In the NBA you get hired if you're good, it politics you get hired if people vote for you. There are no laws against minorities running for office.

I am not saying that Blacks are naturally superior basketball players any more than I am saying that whites are genetically more fit to govern, all I am saying is that there is no race discrimination inherent in either system and therefore needs no govt interference to "correct".

But if government hiring standards have traditionally favored a disproportionate number of whites, that's acceptable and shouldn't even be questioned?

How have they favored whites? If the hiring criteria takes race into account and gives preference to whites then it should not only be questioned but done away with. The only racial discrimination I see today is favor of "minorities".

Obviously the goal is a "color-blind society" - but no such thing exists and sticking one's head in the sand isn't going to accomplish it

Do you expect to eliminate racism by perpetuating it? Every time race and color are made criteria then you are supporting the notions of race and color, and the differences there in. The only way to elimate racism is to judge every person by the same standard: perform well and you advance, perform poorly and you get left behind. That's what they do in professional sports and Blacks have managed to do just fine in that system, why don't we give it a try for everything else?

 

[Cato the Younger]

These people are fringe elements

Dear All,
I am sorry to hear that some individuals have expressed such opinions. However, they, at least in my experience, constitute a small minority of the population. I have many friends here in Texas of Hispanic descent, and all of them, from the poorest worker at HEB to the richest Lawyer express great pride in being American- before some suggest otherwise, let me say that some of these guys are first generation Americans, and some have been here alot longer than my family. I fundamentally believe that, in America, we will never see the kind of ethnic strife present in the Balkans, where my family came from- because the people are too intermixed- you have individuals of different ethnic groups interacting on a daily basis with one another, which I believe promotes greater understanding. To keep this gun related- we are all avid RKBA supporters- and I believe that the future of America is bright- at least from what I have seen in San Antonio and other parts of Texas.

 

[Stretchman]

Only one problem with the invading army theory that I can see. Logistics. Even if they do invade, take over totally, and force everyone else out, what will they do? They have very little in the way of logistical support. If it comes down to a shooting war, they will lose, unless Mexico decides to support them, sends them supplies, medical care, uniforms, etc.

Without that, they have nothing to speak of, and can only hope to get what they need by stealing. But what happens when it's all used up? What happens when no one else sends them anything? No, don't think for a second that they'll win. Sheer numbers don't mean anything at all. Don't turn your back on the Government. They control the purse strings, and the supply chain. IF you really want to win in a democracy, change the politicians out who run the country. And if you are of the opinion that change is warranted, get out there and run for President. Because in this country, you can.

Besides, even if they do take California, they'll lose with their wimpy 10 round restricitons and no HD weapons ban in California. Nevada and Arizona will kick their butts. Haven't you been paying attention at all?

 

[carebear]

Ok, so if a person is born handicapped should the govt institute quotas in professional sports because all of the heavy presence of excellent genetics among the athletes?

How do you help someone achieve their maximum potential when you tell them they don't have to perform to the same levels as those other people do for the same task?

I neither said nor implied any of that. Why are you looking for what isn't there?

Since apparently the context and tone, not to mention the plain meaning of my word choices was not clear...

No, the govt. should not institute quotas in professional sports. A handicapped person should be as free as anyone else to try out for a pro team as anyone else. If they fail due to, say, not having any legs, well, that's life.

 

[Art Eatman]

I go off for a couple of hours to get rid of some cancer cells, and come back to find all this?

Better y'all should do this backing and forthing via group PM or email.

And I'm seeing too much apples and oranges in the various bits and pieces of "data".

Enuf.

Art