Tancredo almost single-handedly fighting illegal alien voter fraud

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This is posted to inform about the need to show ID proving citizenship when voting, not as a anti-illegal alien post.


Tancredo almost single-handedly fighting illegal alien voter fraud
Jim Kouri
http://www.sierratimes.com/06/08/09/Kouri.htm


During the pro-illegal alien rallies in cities across the US last Spring, activists were hard at work registering illegal aliens to vote as Democrats. In New York, a city that doesn't require proof of citizenship to vote, activists registered tens of thousands of illegal aliens during a huge demonstration in Manhattan. News reporters on the scene ignored the illegal voter registration, preferring to give Americans a distorted view of the illegal alien issue.
Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO), chairman of the Immigration Reform Caucus in the US House of Representative, declared in a press statement that he introduced a bill that would penalize states which refuse to require proof of US citizenship before someone is allowed to vote in federal elections.

Under the Voter Integrity Protection Act (VIP Act), states would need to see a valid photo ID proving US Citizenship for voting or those states would have their federal highway funding cut by as much as 40 percent, according to the Tancredo statement.

"In some parts of our country, all residents are granted a de facto right to vote, regardless of whether or not they are citizens. Such widespread voter fraud blurs the line between residency and citizenship and it reinforces the message that you don't need to be an American to have every right and privilege of American citizenship. If even non-citizens can vote, what value does American citizenship have anymore?" said Tancredo.

"Illegal votes undermine our democracy. The VIP Act would help preserve the integrity of our democratic system, which is one of the most important responsibilities we have in Congress," he added.

Citizenship is the major requirement to vote in the United States. However, the integrity of the vote is being ignored by lawmakers and enforcers, resulting in widespread practice of voter fraud.

For example, during the special election in the 50th Congressional District in California, Democrat Francine Busby told a predominately Latino crowd a few days before the election, "You don't need papers for voting." Republican Rep. Brian Bilbray won the election by 7,000 votes.

Tancredo also alleges that Illegal votes may have made the difference in at least one Congressional election. In 1996, Republican Rep. Bob Dornan lost his Orange County, California seat to Democrat Loretta Sanchez by fewer than 1,000 votes. State elections officials found that at least 300 votes in that election were cast illegally by non-citizens, but they failed to conduct an indepth investigation.

"In many states today, you can register to vote without ever being required to show that you are a citizen. Motor-voter registration and a rise in absentee ballots have only exacerbated voter fraud. If certain states are really so committed to protecting illegal aliens who vote, let them put their money where their mouth is and take a hard hit in federal funding," said Tancredo.

The VIP Act, if passed, will stipulate that state and local election officials may not provide a ballot for an election for federal office (including a provisional ballot) to any individual unless the person presents a photographic copy of a document that proves the voter is a US citizen.

In addition, because many states issue motor vehicle driver's licenses to illegal aliens, they will not be considered as a document which provides proof of citizenship unless the state issuing the license requires proof of citizenship as a condition of receiving the license.

If the Tancredo bill passes, starting with the 2008 election cycle, states which do not comply with the VIP Act would sacrifice 10 percent of their federal highway funding, and they would see an additional 10 percent cut in funding each year for an additional three years, or until they have come into compliance with the Act. If the states comply with the Act during the first four years, they will receive their entire lost federal highway funding in future appropriations.

The bill also provides funding to make free photo identifications available in order to avoid any challenges based on the 24th Amendment's prohibition of poll taxes, which would take away the rationale for activist judges to overturn state laws requiring voter identification.

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Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police. He's former chief at a New York City housing project in Washington Heights nicknamed "Crack City" by reporters covering the drug war in the 1980s. In addition, he served as director of public safety at a New Jersey university and director of security for several major organizations. He's also served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country.
 
I think it's sad that this is even an issue. The 14th and 15th Amendments spell it out pretty clear to me.
 
The America people get it. Our "leadership," political and corporate, do not. Trouble ahead.

Usually I would respond to this by saying that we have a representitive govt. so it is easy to "get our point across" by voting those politicians out of office. Some how, it just doesnt feel right saying that in this situation.
 
Under the Voter Integrity Protection Act (VIP Act), states would need to see a valid photo ID proving US Citizenship for voting or those states would have their federal highway funding cut by as much as 40 percent, according to the Tancredo statement.
What does highway funding have to do with this?! Maybe a state is willing to sacrifice 10%, 20% or even 40% of it federal highway funds in order to throw their electorial votes to the Dems. Why not make the penalty that the state's votes don't count if they can use basic procedures to prevent illegal voting.
 
That is the best option. If your state's vote is tainted, it does not count.

Americans will come out of the woodwork ro make sure they are clean.

Or would they?

It might compete with the latest episode of American Idol. (or any TV show, for that matter)

Bill in SD
 
Highway funding is a big pork thing (cf: bridge to nowhere).
Cutting off that directly affects the incumbent as well as the state.

Now let's think about this "votes don't count" idea...

So we all know the Democrats employ enormous vote fraud (the latest is mass signing of illegals).

So what would they do if illegal votes disenfranchised a whole state?

They would make sure one of their illegals voted Republican in each red state, get it made public and bingo... no Electoral College votes for you!

Democrat in a landslide.

Now for anybody with half a brain (and a memory of Bubba Klintoon and the Harpie from Hell) that is a truly scary thought:

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Are there actually any documented cases of illegals voting?.
If illegals aren't voting; why do we need ballots in foreign language?

One of many items brought up by searching for "illegal alien voting".

Non-Citizen Voting in Federal Elections
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersb9dc

In 1996, Congress enacted the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, making it a federal crime for non-citizens to vote in any federal election (or state election, unless authorized by state law). As a penalty, ineligible non-citizens who knowingly vote may be deported. Additionally, a non-citizen who falsely claims to be a United States citizen is in violation of this law.

However, there are many documented reports of non-citizen voting,[1] [2] and there is no evidence of prosecution of the aliens for their action. With nearly 19 million foreign-born residents who are not U.S. citizens in the country in the 2000 Census and an estimated 9-11 million illegal residents (many of them not also counted in the Census), the potential is enormous for non-citizens to affect the outcome of elections.

Charges were made in at least three federal elections in California [3] [4] and twice in Florida[5] that voting by ineligible aliens may have determined the outcome of the election. For instance:

In Florida, election observers say a “sizable number” of Florida votes in the 2000 election may have been cast by ineligible felons, illegal immigrants, and non-citizens. [6]
In California, former Republican Rep. Robert K. Dornan was defeated by Democrat Loretta Sanchez by 984 votes in the 1996 election. State officials found that at least 300 votes were cast illegally by non-citizens.[7]
Investigation of the allegations established that aliens had illegally voted in those elections, but not in sufficient numbers to have changed the result. Authorities appear not to have prosecuted any of the aliens who voted illegally.

It appears that in at least most of these cases, aliens who voted illegally may have done so unknowingly. This is a result of the enactment of The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) ― known as the Motor-Voter law ― which made the process of registering to vote nearly automatic for people applying for a state driver’s license or ID card, and called for distributing registration applications in state welfare offices.[8] Under this law, the information supplied by the applicant for a license doubles as information for voter registration unless the applicant indicates that he/she does not want to be registered to vote.[9] With driver’s licenses made available by several states to aliens (both legal and illegal), it seems likely that voter rolls now contain large numbers of non-citizens ― enough in close elections to change the outcome if those aliens illegally vote.[10] An effort in Congress in 1998 to preclude the registration of non-citizens was narrowly defeated.[11]

It is possible that some illegal aliens applying for driver’s licenses deliberately, rather than accidentally, may seek voter registration, in order to help establish identity for the purposes of illegal employment. The employer sanctions law adopted in 1986 to deter employment of illegal aliens allows a voter registration card to be used as one of the documents that establishes the employee’s identity. That document, plus a Social Security card, is all that is necessary to establish work eligibility.

Compounding the potential for non-citizen voting to corrupt our election process are two other offshoots from the 1993 NVRA. Absentee voting has become ubiquitous, so there is no opportunity for the elections officials to challenge the voter in person as a possible illegal voter or to monitor the voting to assure that the voter is voting independently. And, those who would challenge the eligibility of voters are constrained by protections against intimidation of voters.

The solution to the potential for aliens illegally voting and thereby corrupting elections is obvious. Anyone applying for voter registration who is foreign born should be asked to provide evidence of U.S. citizenship, and that information should be verified with the citizenship records of the Department of Homeland Security.
 
Some commie once said that capitalists would sell the rope which would then be used to hang them. Sounds like that kind of thinking at work when corporate America goes against the common sense of the people who want tight borders and strict immigration law enforcement with no more amnesties. These fat cats are encouraging wide open illegal immigration merely for slightly more profits from using cheaper labor.

What profiteth it a CEO to gain a multimillion dollar salary with perks if it cost him/her the nation descending into anarchy and civil war? Or suffering a big terrorist attack enabled by no meaningful border control?

I'd like to know more about Tancredo's stand on other issues, such as Second Amendment rights, but right now, based on his lonely voice of reason in a wilderness of immigration/borders insanity, he sounds outstanding.
 
This sounds like just another way to push for a national ID card.

That's exactly what it means, and I don't know that anyone has a better idea, once illegal aliens are already here.
 
I'd like to know more about Tancredo's stand on other issues, such as Second Amendment rights, but right now, based on his lonely voice of reason in a wilderness of immigration/borders insanity, he sounds outstanding.
http://tancredo.house.gov/issues/

I too wish Tancredo would run for President of the U.S. HE might have the gonads to put an end to the illegal alien mess this nation is in. Its getting BAD when American citizens attempting to bring more attention to the issue are run off of Boston Commons by aggressive supporters of criminal invaders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5fzYRNEIfs

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This sounds like just another way to push for a national ID card.
Not at all. If you wish to vote, you must register. A system of voting does not work without registration.

You need some means of establishing who you are at the time you register. Otherwise, you could register many time under the same or different names.

At the time you register, you also need to prove that you are elegible to do so (i.e., citizenship and age). That is not too much to ask. Birth certificate (very few do not have one today and getting one is far from a "national ID card") or proof of becoming a nationalized citizen (can't happen without some documentation).

At the time you vote, you have to prove that you are the registered person. Otherwise, someone else could show up earlier and claim to be you, right? Does not require a "national ID card."

How is that too much to ask?
 
I thought I saw two or three stories of people being prosecuted for voting illegally after the last election. It was only one or two people though. The powers that be don't go after it very much.
 
It seems unlikely to me that there would be any widespread problem with illegals voting, as it would seem to put them at risk of being revealed as illegal.

If I was an illegal, I'd be laying pretty low when it comes to any interaction with the government.

That's why I'm skeptical of this problem being anything other than a reason to get the public to accept a national ID card.
 
At the time you register, you also need to prove that you are elegible to do so (i.e., citizenship and age). That is not too much to ask. Birth certificate (very few do not have one today and getting one is far from a "national ID card") or proof of becoming a nationalized citizen (can't happen without some documentation).

I think you are mistaken here, and miss why a national ID card is needed. One does not in fact have to prove citizenship to get a driver's license. You have to demonstrate age and address. Once you have a driver's license you can register to vote and you can vote, thereafter only asked for your driver's license for picture ID and signature verification or other State issued ID that is no more difficult to obtain.

There are no special rules for people who look like "furiners". I have never once been asked for proof of citizenship and don't believe that is called for by any procedure. It cannot be required until something like a national ID card is in place.

Once there is such a card, don't miss that everyone will be asked to show it, not just people who look like aliens. There won't be any official discrimination or profiling, so everyone is inconvenienced.

It seems to me that if someone is against the national ID card, they are not in favor of controlling illegal immigration, fussin' about their rights while the problem goes unsolved.
 
What profiteth it a CEO to gain a multimillion dollar salary with perks if it cost him/her the nation descending into anarchy and civil war? Or suffering a big terrorist attack enabled by no meaningful border control?

It is the old "can't happen to me" or "won't happen here" mentality. Besides what does a corporate board member care if one of their plants is wrecked and the workers put out of their jobs, or worse, lives? The insurance will pay for the plant. They can rebuild in a different location and get some fat tax breaks by a local or state government willing to prostitute themselves a little to get "good jobs" for their constituents.

As far as the national health, don't even pretend corporations care about the state of one nation, even if it is the USA. They've forgotten that when America went into the Great Depression every other economy on the planet followed us. We're a lot more interconnected now, the effects would be even worse.

Now as far as Tancredo, sounds like a good plan so far. As long as it isn't perverted into a national ID card I'd go along with having to show proof of citizenship to register to vote.
 
I too wish Tancredo would run for President of the U.S. HE might have the gonads to put an end to the illegal alien mess this nation is in. Its getting BAD when American citizens attempting to bring more attention to the issue are run off of Boston Commons by aggressive supporters of criminal invaders.

I like Tancredo but Tancredo is five years too late. William Tecumseh Sherman isn't running; neither are Pershing nor Patton. It will take a militant American people to change the momentum of this situation, and what will catalyze that is anyone's guess at this point. One thing we can be sure of: the problem will be worse, in all ways, by 2008.
 
Data

I thought it might be useful to add some data for folks to access.

The .txt is a tab-delineated text file of what is in the following <CODE>that can be sucked into excel or any spreadsheet with ease.

Numbers like those listed in the <CODE> box can easily swing elections (4%-7% of USA population), especially since they are concentrated.

Code:
Metric                                    Value            Source/Notes
US_Pop_2006-10                                    282378137http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_submenuId=factsheet_0&_sse=on
Hisp_Pop_US                                        41870703http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_submenuId=factsheet_0&_sse=on
Hisp_Proportion_US_Pop                                  15%

Illegal_Alien_Pop_High_Est                         20000000
Illegal_Alien_Pop_Low_Est                          12000000
Illegal_Alien_Propotion_Hisp_Pop_High_Est               48%Not all illegal aliens are hispanic, though the estimates are that 5/6 are from Mexico.  IOW, this metric is biased to be high)
Illegal_Alien_Propotion_Hisp_Pop_Low_Est                29%Not all illegal aliens are hispanic, though the estimates are that 5/6 are from Mexico.  IOW, this metric is biased to be high)
Illegal_Alien_Propotion_US_Pop_High_Est                  7%
Illegal_Alien_Propotion_US_Pop_Low_Est                   4%

Fed_BOP_Total_Pop_2006-08-26                         191867http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp

Fed_BOP_Pop_USA                                     139,958http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Pop_Mexico                                   32,343http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Pop_Colombia                                  3,298http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Pop_Cuba                                      1,640http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Pop_Dominican_Republic                        3,253http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Pop_Other_Unknown                            11,375http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Pop_Total_Non-Citizen                        51,909
Fed_BOP_Pop_USA_Pct                                     73%
Fed_BOP_Pop_Mexico_Pct                                  17%
Fed_BOP_Pop_Colombia_Pct                                 2%
Fed_BOP_Pop_Cuba_Pct                                     1%
Fed_BOP_Pop_Dominican_Republic_Pct                       2%
Fed_BOP_Pop_Other_Unknown_Pct                            6%
Fed_BOP_Pop_Total_Non-Citizen_Pct                       27%

Fed_BOP_Race_Pop_White                              108,210http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Race_Pop_Black                               77,135http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Race_Pop_Native American                      3,342http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Race_Pop_Asian                                3,180http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
Fed_BOP_Race_Pop_White_Pct                              56%
Fed_BOP_Race_Pop_Black_Pct                              40%
Fed_BOP_Race_Pop_Native American_Pct                     2%
Fed_BOP_Race_Pop_Asian_Pct                               2%

Fed_BOP_Ethnicity_Pop_Hispanic                       60,374
Fed_BOP_Ethnicity_Pop_Hispanic_Pct                      31%

Fed_Inmates_Total_2004-12-31                         178512www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf
Fed_Inmates_Criminal_Aliens                           48708www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf
Fed_Inmates_Criminal_Aliens_Pct                         27%

Parkland_Annual_Births_Total                          16000http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/051506dnnatimmigcosts.da278db.html
Parkland_Annual_Births_Illegal_Alien_Pct                70%http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/051506dnnatimmigcosts.da278db.html
Parkland_Annual_Births_Illegal_Alien                  11200
 

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