Taurus Judge.45/.410 REVOLVER!!!

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I couldn't decide, so I now have both.

Where did you get those 45 wadcutter bullets to handload? Finding 45 WC's is rather difficult, but I have found one place and I think they are just hard cast lead. Those appear to be copper plated. And what's with the groove in the top?
 
To the best of my knowledge, those bullets are not available... the company is no longer in business. If I understand the concept, the primary purpose of the bullet's notch was to reduce the chances of ricochets when used in urban settings.

I have found one (other) company that produces .452", 200 grain, plated full wadcutters for reloading purposes. I will have to research their name and get back to you.
 
I don't quite understand

Why are there so many comments as to whether or not this is a good "snake gun"? Bees kill more people every year than snakes and only about 6% of snakes in the world are actually venomous. If I see a snake on my property I am glad to have it there. If you have lots of snakes than you have lots of mice around for them to eat. I would much rather have snakes in my grass/woods than mice in my house. Snakes don't actively pursue people and attack them and buying gun, which people seem to agree, is a POS for such frivolous reasons I find incomprehensible. Now if someone came out with a pistol, which was good at dispatching cats on my property that would be a different story all together. At least feral cats should not be found in nature and therefore don't belong on one's property. I'm talking about a firearm that has the power to kill without making a lot of noise. But as far as snakes are concerned, unless you're a coward there is no reason not to leave them alone.
 
Hi Crotalus,
First of all, Welcome to The High Road.

"Snake Gun" is a generic term for weapons that shoot a shot load in place of a centerfire cartridge. Most of us picked that term up from our elders when we were young.
I've had cottonmouths in the Okeefenokee swamp try to get in the jonboat with me and had to whack them with a paddle until I could get a "snake gun" out to deal with them because they wouldn't go away. Snakes don't always follow a preset behavior. Despite their reptilian brains, they still have personalities that differ from snake to snake.
But, I will agree that wanton, non hunting, killing of snakes is a waste of a good predator.

Apropos to the thread, I'm glad to see some positive thoughts on the 4510. I've been wondering about this one for a while.
 
Crotalus,

My welcome won't be as cordial. It would be rather poor manners to walk into a room of folks conversing about a topic and insult many of them by calling them cowards - and, this you accomplished in your very first post!

If you depend on snakes to keep the mouse/rat population low in your house, you must be inundated with snakes. It would be simpler to have the ultimate mouser, a cat, in your home for such duties. Cats, unlike other predators, will, as will man, kill for fun, not just for food. As far as feral animals of all kinds, they came from somewhere. Better to fine those who 'dump' cats, dogs, etc, and deal with them, than simply destroy the animals. That may get rid of the immediate threat, but the source, that neighbor who put their domesticated pets 'out' to fiend for themselves, is the real problem.

Now, about bees... if you are referring to true bees, ie, honey bees, not to worry. Their numbers, sad to say for those of us who enjoy honey, are shrinking yearly worldwide. Yellow jackets, hornets, wasps, a different matter entirely... as are the various 'biting' ants... a real problem, as one usually doesn't know when the next 'bite/sting' will cause a severe allergic response. From my experience, 'The Judge' would make a poor means of dispatching a hornet's nest anyway.

Pardon my sensitivity re cats - but we are 'cat people' - and gun afficionado's. We have five housebound cats, a sixth succumbing to heart problems at sixteen last month. Of course, to make my life more enjoyable, I am allergic to the cats... hooray for antihistamines. Rant over... find a thread to post a positive response in - maybe even retract your 'coward' remark, as well - most of the folks here are top drawer.

Stainz
 
I was simply agreeing with Florida Kevin that generally there is no real reason why one should need to unnessecarily kill snakes as most are harmless anyway. Buying a gun to protect yourself from a snake is about as silly as buying a gun to protect yourself from mosquitos.

I am not familiar with the term "top drawer" but I never said that everyone on this board was a coward, I was saying that if you are buying a specific gun to kill any snake you see in your garden that it is a cowardly act. If one is that afraid of snakes than perhaps they should move to a city. I do not have a rodent problem in my house but I have yet to see a snake on my property indicating to me that there are likely not enough rodents to sustain any.

My comment about bees was simply to illustrate that more people die every year from stings from hymenopteras than snakes. I was by no means suggesting that "da Judge" would be an appropriate means of dispatching bees nor was I suggesting that doing so would be an appropriate thing to do. Over 80% of the venomous snake bites in this country occur while someone is attempting to catch or kill a venomous snake. You are far better off leaving one alone than attempting to capture or kill one. As far as cottonmouths are concerned, I have heard stories of them approaching boats on water. Water snakes which may look similar to someone who is not used to identifying snakes tend to do the same thing. It is much more likely that they are approaching the boat in order to get onto land than to simply attack a person.

As far as cats are concerned I am in no way advocating the killing of random cats. I just happen to have a problem with inconsiderate neighbors allowing their cats to roam freely 24/7 using my yard as a toilet and the vinyl roof of my wife's car as a scratching post. The neighbors don't make any changes after speaking civilly, and unfortunately it is illegal to shoot inconsiderate irresponsible cat owners. Some states allow trespassing cats to be shot, unfortunately Virginia is not one of those states. I understand that pets to many people are like a member of their family, but if I had children I certainly wouldn't allow them to roam the neighborhood. I also don't think my neighbors would appreciate it if I allowed my five foot monitor lizard to roam into their yards but I wouldn't even think of doing such a thing because I am not as inconsiderate as they are.

That being said I came to this forum to find out more information about this new Taurus revolver. From what I gather after reading these posts it would make a poor conceal carry side arm due to it's size and weight. Would you agree with that statement?
 
What, no open season on bad pet owners in VA? We don't even have a bag limit in AL.

The 'top drawer' in the dresser, etc, is where the finer clothes/items are stowed.

The Taurus 4510, aka 'The Judge', is a great novelty revolver. It's .45 Colt rating legitimizes it's .410 shot shell use. It may be a fair car/truck defense revolver to some - pure novelty to me. I have a 625 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt for my 'Boulevarde-rated' Jeep. In my twisted mind, it is a far better choice for defending yourself - in most situations. For a CCW, I have a 296 and a 642.

Without a question, S&W's best selling revolver is perhaps the quintessential example of a proper CCW. I am speaking of the Airweight .38 Special +P-rated 442/657/642. Checkout 'The 642 Club' for a few posts regarding same. Get some eyedrops, too (It's up to 170 pages!).

Stainz
 
Yeah, for a serious defense revolver this is a poor choice. The ad in the new American Rifleman looks cool, but notice the shots were at 6 feet.

For my uses where there are no snakes to worry about, I think for critters that may want to get into the barn this would be a nice gun. Don't have to worry about shot poking a hole in the siding or hitting the neighbors. But that's about it. Knock the critter down type of thing.

And I agree about snakes. I've come across rattlers coiled and ready to strike and all it took was a kick of dirt and they were on their way.

Man, I think this gun is becoming as controversial as the .45 GAP from a few years ago. :eek:
 
Has anyone shot an airlight judge or know anything about them? I saw one in the store today and it was incredibly light. It felt great, but it begs the question of how much punishment there will be when shooting the .410's.
 
Has anyone shot an airlight judge or know anything about them? I saw one in the store today...
This is the first I've heard of this variation. I didn't see any reference on the Taurus website; could you please provide a link for more info?

I wouldn't mind having a .45/.410 during camping trips when sleeping in a tent for protection from certain wild and/or aggressive animals in the middle of the night. More than likely, I'd opt for loading it with at least a couple of chambers of 3" magnum buckshot. The other 3 chambers would probably be loaded with .45 Colt Cor-Bons.
 
Catbird: I can't give any links. So far I have not been able to find any links anywhere regarding this gun. I was in a store today looking for a 3'' stainless and the guys told me about the airlight. It had already been sold but not picked up so they went to the back and brought it out for me to see. It had that typcial titanium gray color to it and was super light as expected. If i find anything related i will post it. I found another shop that will have one tuesday. I am thinkin about going by to look at it then. Still don't know if i want the airlight or regular stainless. If i do go by i will take a picture and post it.
 
...only the new one coming out this year can do 3"...
Oh really -- I didn't know that. I thought that they were already out and available in limited numbers. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Bees kill more people every year than snakes...

Buying a gun to protect yourself from a snake is about as silly as buying a gun to protect yourself from mosquitos.

OK, just because the new guy brought it up......would the "Judge" be a good bee and mosquito gun? :scrutiny:

And, FYI, if you hang around THR long enough, you'll find out that we'll use ANY excuse to buy a new gun.... :D
 
Oh really -- I didn't know that. I thought that they were already out and available in limited numbers. Thanks for the clarification.

I'm not sure on that, but there are lots of the older ones still floating around. Just make sure to check before buying.
 
yes definitely be careful when buying. make sure the dealer knows what he is talking about. i have had a dealer try to tell me it shot 3 inchers because it said 3'' on the box, but he didn't realize that the box was referring to the length of the barrel. Anyone know if the new ones(that shoot 3'' magnums) will be the same overall length(and shortern the barrel) or longer than the orginal?
 
Hey Crotalus, Since you are so brave, I got 300 acres of rattler country for you to walk around in and bed down on. I'm thinking of a certain rockpile I need to move.
If you want a rattler reserve, buy your own land. I'm going to shoot rattlers when I come across them and let the bullsnakes and ratsnakes fill the niche. Ace
 
Next thing you know, they will be making a concealable revolver that shoots 9mm, .40, and .45, and handgun caliber wars will be a thing of the past. That would be sad...:( lol
 
Not very high road, but as I understand these guns are very popular in the northern areas of ruffed grouse country, shooting out the windows of vehicles with bird shot on the logging roads. Faster than trying to load a long gun and bring it to bear. To each their own.:mad:
 
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