Texas Bill: Let Blind Hunters Use Lasers

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Texas Bill: Let Blind Hunters Use Lasers
By Associated Press
Mon Dec 11, 2:32 PM

AUSTIN, Texas - A lawmaker in this firearm-friendly state wants to help more people get the chance to shoot live animals _ even if those people can't see.

A bill filed for the 2007 legislative session would permit legally blind hunters to use laser sights, or lighted pointing instruments.

"This opens up the fun of hunting to additional people, and I think that's great," said Republican Rep. Edmund Kuempel, the bill's sponsor.

Visually impaired people are allowed to shoot now with the aid of a sighted person, he said, a requirement that would continue if the sights were legalized.

"I've seen this on TV before, when they're taking target practice," Kuempel said. "When they aim the gun, the guide tells them, aim two inches higher or two inches lower and you're on the target, and you're off and running."

Kuempel's bill would give the state until Jan. 1, 2008, to come up with a definition of legally blind so the law could be enforced.

Under existing law, the use of laser sights, spotlights and headlights is strictly prohibited in all Texas hunting. The practice can have the effect of making animals stand still as the light shines on them. Hunters using sights under the proposed legislation would have to carry proof that they are legally blind.

The Legislature convenes Jan. 9 for its 140-day session.

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Texas House of Representatives: http://www.house.state.tx.us
 
Misleading Title

I was kinda hoping to see a picture of Stevie wonder holding some sort of energy weapon, waiting for Bambi.
 
Don't a couple of the basic safety rules cover being able to distinguish your target and the area beyond? I hope that a sighted person is still needed to make sure one of those indistinct blobs reflecting a laser beam is not a neighborhood kid hiking through the area.
 
A better use would be laser-spotting for a blind person firing a seeker missile.

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The link I read earlier pointed out that blind people can currently hunt with guides, but they can't use a laser sight to help the guide know where they are aiming. This bill wants to let them use laser sights (only for blind people). Laser sights are currently banned along with spot lights and such for hunting.

I have no idea how many people this affects. It says "legally blind" which can include more people that most think.
 
How would a blind person see a laser? I am not trying to be an idiot here, so much as to say that if they can't see a red-dot scope which are legal as far as I know, how in the world are they going to see a laser? I personally don't have an ethical issue with the blind using things that the sighted can't to hunt, as long as it doesn't give special advantage over and above the normally-abled. In other words, this laser idea doesn't sound like it gives a special advantage. The idea that that wacko had to hunt over the internet does. Anyway, I also understand the delineation between legally blind and blind as we mostly think of it, but I still fail to see how this would help anyone. Like, maybe you COULD see the bright red dot, but could you also make out your target area?
 
I disagree. If it can be done ethically, why shouldn't blind people hunt? Frankly, there are plenty of normally sighted people who hunt that probably shouldn't be hunting, and we don't deny them the right. Look, if reasonable accomodations can be made, I say more power to them. It's different from being blind, but there was an article in Field and Stream a few months back about a guy that was a quadraplegic that hunted. I daresay that I have never hunted as hard as he does, and I have full use of all my limbs. Is it unfair because he uses a specially designed bow (!) that used electronic actuators to draw and fire? I say it isn't, but maybe you guys disagree.

Also, pilots land and fly by instruments all the time due to poor or no visibility, and in a pinch, airliners can land on auto-pilot. I certainly am not advocating blind pilots, but it's not as big a stretch as you might think.
 
Ooh, an opportunity to educate the hopelessly out of touch. Too harsh for you? Sorry. John

www.britishblindsport.org.uk/shooting.htm

"Recent years have seen a tremendous increase in the number of centres where these facilities exist with 20 such centres currently offering shooting for the blind and visually impaired all over the country."

www.nrahq.org/compete/disabled.asp

"(Photo: Eric Tissenbaum & Dave Baskin) The event that established national shooting sports history occurred on July 8, 2005, at the NRA-Beeman competition in Nitro, West Virginia. On that date, Eric Tissenbaum of Nitro, became the first visually impaired/blind marksman to ever compete aganist fully sighted marksmen in a national level precision air rifle competition. Eric's score of 423 out of a possible 600 points, ranked him 16th of the 20 competitors and ahead of four sighted marksmen."

No reason a blind or visually impaired person can't hunt with a spotter.

John
 
It seems to me that the use of a laser with a legally blind (i.e. poor eyesight, not no eyesight) shooter is to allow a guide or hunting partner to confirm the shot through a scope or binoculars. That allows someone with poor eyesight to aim a rifle, but also to let a helper make sure that their shot is safe and ethical before they pull the trigger.

Sounds good to me.

This is NOT about letting literally blind people roam the woods and shoot at whatever comes along. It's quite the opposite.
 
www.rankinledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061125/OUTDOORS/611250307/1019

November 25, 2006
Hunt special to disabled youth


Youngsters take to woods with celebs

By Barin von Foregger
Outdoors Columnist


All too often, it's the little things that we take for granted: Walking out to get the morning paper, enjoying the sunrise over the neighborhood and watching the day come alive.
For 12-year-old Austin Nix, of Brandon, it's the little things that he can't experience with others.

Austin is blind and hearing impaired, and though he can't see or hear well, he strives to do everything that others do on a daily basis, including hunting and getting outdoors.

After a night of living it up at Bass Pro Shops in Pearl, complete with dinner, music and an auction, Nix, along with his father, Chris, loaded up the car and headed to Kearney Park in Flora.

They didn't get into bed until around 11 p.m., and whether they got any sleep still produces a big question mark.

The father-son duo was taking part in the Wheelin' Sportsmen National Wild Turkey Federation Youth Team-Up Celebrity Hunt.

The event was held to promote the outdoors to 25 young Mississippians with disabilities and give them a taste of what they can accomplish.

The participants were teamed up with celebrities from sports, music and entertainment.

The alarm clock went off early the next morning - around 4:30 - and Austin, though tired, was eager to get out of bed and hit the woods. His dad came into the room and helped him get ready for the hunt.



(Chris Nix guides his son, Austin (right) up the trail as their guide for the day, Jimmy Primos of Primos Wild Game Calls, scouts the next field for whitetail deer. The group was hunting together as part of the first Wheelin’ Sportsmen NWTF Celebrity-Youth Team Up.)


When I tell people about my experience with this duo, I get the same question: How can someone who is blind hunt a deer?

Well, it's simple. His dad helps him.

Chris Nix has been a sportsman for most of his life.

"Being able to take my son outdoors and share the experience with him is a great feeling," Chris said. "We have to work as a team."

Austin and his father were teamed with Primos Hunting Calls' Jimmy Primos. Besides working with the world-renowned hunting call company, Primos has gained popularity among sportsmen from his appearances on the company's hunting video productions.

"Jimmy was so genuine and down to earth," Chris said. "He and Austin joked and laughed throughout the hunt. They had a great time together, and Austin learned a lot from (Jimmy)."

Primos jumped at the chance to get involved with the program.

"To many people all over this country, hunting is a family event, and when you have a handicapped person and show them that they don't have to be excluded, it is a great thing," Primos said. "Like Austin, who has been blind since birth, he knows now that he can go hunting with his father and not have to stay home and feel left out."

I think Jimmy and I both saw how much love was shared between father and son on this trip.

Whether it was comedian Jeff Foxworthy's Blue Collar Comedy Tour bits by Austin, or the Johnny Cash songs between both of the Nix boys, it was evident these two had fun together, no matter where they were or what they were doing.

"What I will remember most about the time I spent with Austin and Chris was the excitement Austin would show when we told him we saw a deer and how we laughed and told jokes and stories together - the 3 of us," Primos said. "I will never forget the way Chris would look at his son when we were in the stand - with so much love and fatherly pride - I felt blessed to be a small part of the time they shared together."

Primos and the Nix boys saw several deer and shot at three of them.

But those shots never found their mark. Austin didn't harvest a deer that weekend.

Although he was upset, that didn't stop him from sharing stories about the one that got awaywith other participants back at Bass Pro Shops at the closing ceremonies.

Joe Wood, a NWTF regional director from Madison, said although not all of the 25 participants in the hunt bagged a deer, the experiences the kids took home made it a success.

"While it would be nice if every child got a deer, the real purpose of the event was to provide an opportunity for disabled children to enjoy outdoor activities that able-bodied folks like you and me take for granted," Wood said.

"Bottom line, the event was a success only if children, like Austin, say it was a success."

From what I saw in Austin's face, it was.

"This is very nice," Austin said. "I'm having fun."

His daddy was pleased, too.

"This is one of the best programs I've ever seen," Chris said.

"I can't say enough about the guys and what they've done for Austin. They treated us like family."

Austin was able to spend time with an old friend while on the hunt.

His best friend from the Mississippi School for the Blind, 17-year-old Kainen Gilley of Water Valley, was also on hand for the weekend event with his father, Bryan Gilley.

"We've been friends for a long time," Gilley said.

Kainen harvested a 150-pound doe during the weekend.

Austin's mother, Angie, was grateful for the event and said it brought father and son closer.

"They had such a good time," Angie said. "The stories I hear from those two make it sound like it was a fun time with Jimmy."

A fun time indeed.

"What I enjoyed most was sharing my love of hunting with Austin and seeing his enthusiasm," Primos said. "I feel sure that before this deer season is over Austin will harvest a deer with his daddy. We are already making plans to hunt together at the event next year."

Now, don't think that the Nix boys aren't going to hunt anymore this season. Chris and Austin have already logged several hours at the Rock Hill Hunting Club in Rankin County, and are hoping to be a part of a similar Team-Up event in Meridian on Jan. 5, 2007.

For more information on that hunt, contact Steve Thomas at (814) 542-2964, or the NWTF at (800) THE-NWTF.

See you in the woods!
 
The issue of allowing hunters of less than adequate vision to use laser assistance is a slightly different issue from the issue of allowing blind people to hunt. If the disabled person is able to see marginally but is capable of distinguishing a proper target with assistance and supervision I would not rule out letting them hunt out of hand. I also would be amenable to allowing persons who met a specific guideline for vision level to use aids otherwise not legally allowed.

Now as for allowing the full blown sunglasses and cane I can't see my hand in front of my face type to go hunting I think I would have to say no. However
there are quite a few people who meet the definition of legally blind who are able to say tell the difference between a car and a pickup at 100 yds without glasses. They can't give you make model etc but can make some differentiation. These are the types who might benefit from this type of idea.
 
I have a friend who suffered retinitis pigmentosa , I think thats the one . He ended up completely blind , but continued to run his auto repair shop for about 10 years after his site picture went down to an 1/8" point of light . Guess what he does now , 20 years later ? He is a wildlife photographer , and a pretty darned good one ! He spends all his time setting out feed and game cameras . Someone else naturally has to critique his work . And to say there is no justification to stand next to him shooting from a rest and tell him ...left ....left... left... up ...now . A blind photographer what a gimmick !! His stuff SELLS !

The innability to walk, see, or hear does not preclude one from living his life .

Check this kid out . This says it all in 15 seconds , he can hold his own in a swimming pool too http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6912276956901300644&q=wheelchair+backflip&hl=en
 
The laser is to allow the guide or whoever is escorting the blind hunter to verify aim.

The hunter -- fully blind, partially blind or legally blind -- aims the rifle towards what he thinks is a deer, or if he's fully blind where the guide tells him there's a deer, the guide finds the laser dot, verifies the target and tells the hunter to pull the trigger.

LawDog
 
They issue legally blind people drivers licenses don't they? IMO this is safer if all they are doing is waiting in ambush for some critter to walk up and beg to be shot. It'd be different if they were out stumbling around in the woods with real hunters though. :evil:
 
Actually...

They allow it in Michigan all ready, usually a Blind hunter is accompanied by one who guides the them into the bush, and directs their aim, the red dot is a aid for the sighted individual to tell the blind one if they are on target or not.:neener:
 
Seems to me that if a blind man can pass a shooting test and get a Concealed Carry Permit, there's no reason he shouldn't get a hunting license.

January 4, 2001
National News Briefs; Blind Man Gets Permit For Concealed Weapon
A North Dakota graduate student has been issued a permit to carry concealed weapons, despite being legally blind.

The 27-year-old student, Carey McWilliams, who attends North Dakota State University, says he needs to carry a weapon for protection.

''If you choose this blind victim, you might end up dead,'' Mr. McWilliams said.

Mr. McWilliams's sight is limited to light perception, which means he can tell night from day. He says he has been blind since he was 10.

In North Dakota, applicants for concealed weapons permits must pay a fee, undergo a background check and pass written and shooting examinations, said Pat Healey, a Cass County sheriff's deputy who administers permit tests.

Mr. Healey said Mr. McWilliams passed the shooting test on his second try, firing 10 bullets into a black target from seven yards away.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F01EFDC1E3BF937A35752C0A9679C8B63
 
This is a very good site guys, I like the debate, I was thinking ***! when i saw this news, Now im thinking. "well is it safe and if so well? "
 
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