Texas Senate Allows Guns in College Classrooms

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"Texas concealed handgun license holders could carry weapons into public college classrooms and dorms under a bill given preliminary approval Tuesday by the state Senate.

Supporters say the bill reinforces the constitutional right to bear arms and could prevent mass murders such as the 2007 shootings at Virginia Tech."

A very interesting read. Not passed by House. Let's hope this bill is put into law.
Please read:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Texas-Senate-Allows-Guns-in-College-Classrooms.html
 
Please, would all Texans on this forum contact their house reps and ask for their efforts to get this onto the floor for a vote?
And ask for the vote itself, of course, but the biggest obstacle will be getting to it before the House ends its legislative session.

Tehk1w1, unarmed in the classroom and tired of it.
 
The bill has NOT passed the Senate yet. it only passed the Senate hearing thing to permit it to be opened up to full debate in the Senate. thats what the 20-10 vote was. It still needs to actually pass the Senate.

Which, hopefully, it will soon do.
 
No - it Passed

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6432279.html

AUSTIN — A bill to allow college students and employees to carry their concealed handguns on campus won final passage today on a 19-12 vote in the Senate.

The bill would allow college students who are at least 21 years old and licensed to carry concealed handguns to bring those weapons into state campus buildings. University hospitals and athletic facilities would remain off limits to guns.

It applies to all universities and colleges in the state, but private institutions would be able to opt out.

Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio, said he introduced the bill because of the 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech, where he said victims were “picked off like sitting ducks.”

“I would feel personally guilty if I woke up one morning and read that something similar had occurred on a Texas campus,” he said.

If the Senate gives the bill final approval — which could happen today — the controversial measure could go back to the House, where it died last week because lawmakers did not make the deadline to debate it.

However, legislative rules do allow House lawmakers to take up the Senate version if they do it before midnight Tuesday.

Exactly half of the House members, 75 of 150, have signed on as supporters of the bill, a legislative priority of the Texas State Rifle Association, an affiliate of the National Rifle Association.

Only 11 U.S. universities allow handguns on campus. In Texas, college students are split on the issue and several university administrators have expressed reservation.

Sen. Leticia Van de Putte, D-San Antonio, tried to amend the bill to allow all schools to opt in if their governing boards wanted to allow concealed guns on campus. Colorado took that approach, she said, with some universities allowing guns and others not.

“This is a common-sense approach to the concealed handgun issue. Allow local control,” she said. Her amendment was defeated.

Katie Kasprzak, a recent graduate of Texas State University, testified in favor of the bill before legislative committees.

She completed the required course and shooting test to get licensed to carry a concealed weapon, but wasn’t able to carry it at night when she walked alone on campus.

“If someone wants to protect themselves, they should be guaranteed that right whether they are on a college campus,” said Kasprzak.

Sen. Rodney Ellis, D-Houston, said the bill could confuse university police, who now know that a person with a gun on campus is violating the law.

“When there is an alcohol-related tragedy on campus, you don’t hear claims that giving students a 12-pack is the solution,” he said.

“Yet, when it comes to gun-related incidents, we seem to think that putting more guns in the mix will lead to a good, rather than bloody outcome,” Ellis said.
 
Holy God! What do we have to do to get this passed now? This is amazing! We are SO close to getting this passed!
 
Texas Gov. Perry has already said that he would not veto such a Bill from becoming law.

Missouri has a similar bill that has passed our state house of reps and is waiting to go to the Senate. I think some of the more pro-2A states are starting to try to out do each other with recent legislation in MO, MT, and now TX. Keep up the good work folks!
 
Sen. Rodney Ellis, D-Houston, said the bill could confuse university police, who now know that a person with a gun on campus is violating the law.

“When there is an alcohol-related tragedy on campus, you don’t hear claims that giving students a 12-pack is the solution,” he said.

um, actually it is perfectly legal for someone to carry a rifle or shotgun around on campus as long as they are not A, entering buildings, or B, a student or faculty member, depending on what they sign in student/faculty conduct stuff.

Also, people not affiliated with the university can CCW around, as long as they dont enter buildings. So how does his cop statement make any sense?

As to the alcohol question: No, but making alcohol illegal doesnt fix the situation either. you educate the body about the subject, so they can still do it, but safely and without causing problems.
 
“When there is an alcohol-related tragedy on campus, you don’t hear claims that giving students a 12-pack is the solution,” he said.

No, but when a kid OD's on campus, there most definitely is a drug solution when it is narcotic (Narcan).
 
Quote/Question: "Holy God! What do we have to do to get this passed now? This is amazing!"

Yep, like Yogi once said, "It ain't over 'til it's over."

From checking on on this thread http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCH...94cdcc#p283828
just now, it looks like a few thousand of us killing their phones and faxes today, got some results.

CALLING ALL TEXANS, PLEASE, TRY TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS. Please read the most current posts there before calling or faxing. Where appropriate, let's keep hitting the right people at the right time all the way through Memorial Day!
 
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When there is an alcohol-related tragedy on campus, you don’t hear claims that giving students a 12-pack is the solution

That's got to be one of the dumbest analogies I've ever seen.
 
What was in my "Inbox" this morning:

--- On Fri, 5/22/09, W. Scott Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:

From: W. Scott Lewis <[email protected]>
Subject: Texas Senate Bill 1164 (Clarifications and a Final Update)
Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 1:09 AM

Attention Texas Supporters of Concealed Carry on Campus:

Thank you for bearing with us yesterday as we sent out more SB 1164 updates than most people could keep up with. As you probably noticed, the updates were put out in such rapid succession and passed through so many hands (NRA to TSRA to SCCC to me to you) that some of the notices picked up errors along the way (i.e., incorrect bill numbers), and some of the notices contained information that quickly became useless (i.e., some phone lines became so jammed that it soon became pointless to try to call those numbers). We were all doing our best to keep you updated on the latest twists and turns in this rapidly developing situation, and that, unfortunately, came at the cost of a little confusion and a lot of full inboxes. Now that the confusion has cleared, I want to update you on exactly where we stand.

As you probably know by now, Texas Senate Bill 1164, better known as the “guns on campus,” “campus carry,” or “concealed carry on campus” bill, was passed by the Texas Senate Wednesday afternoon. The bill now has until 11:59 PM Saturday to be scheduled for a floor vote in the Texas House and until 11:59 PM Tuesday to receive a preliminary vote in the Texas House.

Just prior to adjournment yesterday (Thursday, May 21, 2009), the bill received its first reading (a formality) in the Texas House of Representatives and was assigned to the House Committee on Public Safety. According to Rule 4, Section 11(a) of the “Rules and Precedents of the Texas House,” the Public Safety Committee is not required to hold a public hearing on SB 1164 because they already held a public hearing on House Bill 1893, which was “substantially the same” as SB 1164. That means that the Public Safety Committee could vote on SB 1164 in an informal meeting as early as this morning (Friday, May 22). The Public Safety Committee can report favorably or unfavorably on the bill, but because they previously voted favorably on HB 1893, they’re expected to vote favorably on SB 1164 (more on this below).

If the Public Safety Committee reports favorably on the bill, that report will go to the House Committee on Calendars. It’s then up to the Calendars Committee to schedule the bill for a vote by the full House of Representatives. This is the most crucial step of the process. As previously stated, the deadline to schedule bills for a floor vote by the full Houses is 11:59 PM this coming Saturday. If the Calendars Committee doesn’t schedule SB 1164 for a vote before that deadline, the bill dies. And that’s not the only way the Calendars Committee could kill the bill. They could also place SB 1164 so far down the House calendar that there is no possible way the House will reach it by 11:59 PM this coming Tuesday, which is the deadline for bills to receive the first of two required votes in the House.

The only way to be certain that the House will reach SB 1164 before the Tuesday deadline is for the Calendars Committee to place SB 1164 on the House MAJOR calendar, rather than the House general calendar. Bills on the major calendar are always voted on first. This means that we need to vigorously and persistently push the members of the Texas House Committee on Calendars to place Senate Bill 1164 on the House MAJOR calendar AS SOON AS IT GETS TO THEM.

For the reasons mentioned above, the members of the Calendars Committee should be the first legislators you contact (starting with Committee Chair Brian McCall of Plano).

THE TEXAS HOUSE COMMITTEE ON CALENDARS (firmly but politely push these members to place Senate Bill 1164 on the House MAJOR calendar AS SOON AS IT GETS TO THEM):

http://www.house.state.tx.us/committees/list81/050.htm (click on a Representative’s name or photo to view his or her contact info).

After contacting the members of the Calendars Committee, you should call the three members of the Public Safety Committee who have indicated that they’re not entirely sure how they’ll vote on SB 1164. The fact that the Public Safety Committee passed HB 1893 is no guarantee that it will pass SB 1164. The vote on HB 1893 was close, and our opponents are focusing on these members of the Public Safety Committee, in an effort to kill the bill before it ever reaches the Calendars Committee.

MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY WHOM YOU SHOULD CONTACT:

Rep. Tryon D. Lewis - http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/dist81/lewis.php

Rep. Phil King - http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/dist61/king.php

Rep. Hubert Vo - http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/dist149/vo.php

Finally, if none of the Representatives mentioned above represent your district, you should also contact YOUR State Representative:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/officials/congress/

When you contact your State Representative, be sure to mention that you live in his or her district. When it comes to controversial bills like this, legislators hear from voters from all over the state, so you want to make sure and let your Representative know that you’re actually one of his or her constituents. The opinions of constituents always carry a lot more weight with legislators.

Also, when talking to any legislator about this issue, be sure and mention if you happen to be a college student, a college professor, a college employee, or a parent of a college student (or soon-to-be college student). The opinions of people personally affected by bills typically carry a little more weight with legislators.

The links above contain the phone and fax numbers for both the Representative’s Capitol offices and their district offices. Unless you live in a Representative’s district, you should try contacting his or her Capitol office first. The links also contain forms for emailing the legislators. Emails to legislators are often dismissed as less significant than phone calls and faxes or not read at all, so email should only be used if you can’t reach a Representative’s office by phone or fax or if you want to supplement your call or fax to the Representative.

Thanks again for all you’re support and hard work. We’re almost to the finish line, so don’t let up now!

Sincerely,

W. Scott Lewis

Former National Media Coordinator for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC)

PS. As always, anyone who is unfamiliar with or unsure about this issue can review the "Students for Concealed Carry on Campus Handbook: Texas Edition" here:

http://www.StudentsForConcealedCarryOnCampus.com (PDF version)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11922308/SCCC-Handbook-Texas-Edition (Flash version)
 
Wonderful post Greybeard. I've been on the .gov site all morning trying to decipher the events that have taken place, and what is happening next. The email you've posted does an excellent job of explaining where we stand at this hour.

You are right. There are several ways the Public Safety Committee could pigeon hole these pieces of legislation. We need an action alert to take place today. Time's a wastin', and this is a really short fuse.

Folks, please call those people on the links posted. Even though it passed in the Senate(SB1164), there's no guarantee that the House version(HB 1893) will unless we urge these House members to act in an expeditious manner.

Here's a link to follow both bills, through the legislative process:

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/Companions.aspx?LegSess=81R&Bill=HB1893

Take time to scroll thru the tabs. See where the bill(s) stand found in the "Actions" tab.
 
This does not help our Campus Carry or Parking Lots deadlines at all. :fire:

Democrats use 'chubbing' stalling strategy

By KELLEY SHANNON Associated Press Writer © 2009 The Associated Press

May 22, 2009, 1:11PM

AUSTIN, Texas — Talkative House Democrats used stalling tactics Friday to prevent passage of a voter identification bill they oppose that's scheduled for debate this weekend.

Democrats — who'd warned they would put up a fight to stop the voter ID measure — began talking at length on non-controversial legislation to use up the clock. The Legislature adjourns June 1, and a number of bill passage deadlines are arriving in the next few days.

The Senate already passed a Republican-pushed bill requiring voters to show a photo ID or two non-photo ID alternatives when they cast a ballot. Democrats say that would prevent people without those forms of identification from voting and suppress turnout. If Democrats are going to stop the legislation, it will have to be in the House, where the chamber is almost evenly divided by party.

Veteran Rep. Delwin Jones, R-Lubbock, said Democratic opponents of the voter ID bill were trying to pressure fellow lawmakers to negotiate the legislation, in turn threatening scores of unrelated bills. The delay tactic, using the rules to eat up time, is known as "chubbing."

"In lieu of the filibuster, the House chubs," Jones said. "It keeps a lot of bills from being considered, which puts a lot of pressure on the members who have bills they want to pass."

The House gaveled into session 30 minutes late Friday. Then, after the usual prayer, pledge and welcoming remarks, legislators started in on a long "local and consent" agenda. It's supposed to be a non-controversial agenda of bills that usually breezes along.

But Democrats made it clear they planned to ask lots of questions on those bills and use up all the time permitted — 10 minutes per bill — to slow down the House's work pace.

One Democratic lawmaker during his questioning about a proposed municipal utility district in Waller County brought up a House leadership scandal from the 1970s. Another, questioning a Republican doctor representatives on his legislation, asked about the best remedies for nasal congestion.

Rep. Sid Miller, R-Stephenville, raised a technical point to try to prevent the whole local and consent agenda from being considered so that the House could return to major pending bills, like changes to the top 10 percent college admissions law and, potentially, voter ID, slated for Saturday. He later temporarily withdrew that technical challenge.

"Hopefully we can get back to the people's business and see less chubbing," Miller pleaded, to no avail.

Republicans huddled to talk strategy at the back of the House chamber and in an adjoining conference room, where former Speaker Tom Craddick joined them. The Republicans told news reporters to leave the room.

Rep. Mike "Tuffy" Hamilton, R-Mauriceville, said Republicans were taking a wait-and-see approach, for now.

Speaker Pro Tempore Craig Eiland, a Galveston Democrat, presided over the House early Friday instead of Republican Speaker Joe Straus, as is usually done for a local bill agenda. Eiland reminded lawmakers they had a full three minutes to explain their bills if they wanted to take all the available time.

At one point during the morning stalling, Democratic Rep. Mike Villarreal of San Antonio asked Eiland with a smile: "Mr. Speaker, are we going to break for lunch?"

Lawmakers were told there would be no formal lunch break; there was complimentary shrimp waiting for them in the recently remodeled legislators' lounge.

___

Associated Press writers Jay Root and Jackie Stone contributed to this report.
 
Great. Just great.:mad:

I wish Direct TV had a Texas CSPAN equivalent. I'd be glued to the TV all weekend and into next week. Ditto for the radio.
 
Good luck to all you folks in Texas. I hope this passes. It seems the Texas state legislature is one of the few in the country (let's not forget Montana) with any sense left at all. I'm confident you'll get this through.

Utah has had officially sanctioned college carry since 2006, and how many of these shootings have we seen there? It would be nice if more Americans in general, and legislators in particular, could suspend their partisan squabbling for long enough to come to this reasonable approach. The so-called "Gun Free Zone" is among the most asinine of concepts ever to become law.

Nice! I wish Florida would take a hint.

Yeah, no kidding.
 
The Texas House Democrats have been chubbing since the House convened this morning, and are in no hurry to quit. If this keeps up, EVERY important bill currently in the Texas house will die.
They are talking about pilots getting confused over which aircraft carrier to land on, which brand of nasal spray is best, and other pointless and downright stupid stuff.
 
Thanks Guitargod1985. It's 10:47pm here in Texas, and I'm listening to the video stream from the House floor, which is where the campus carry bill is in it's final stages.......that is WHEN it comes up for a vote.

http://www.house.state.tx.us/media/welcome.php

It's under "Live House Chamber Stream", for all those interested.

The problem is, the anti 2ndAmendment people in the House is doing what amounts to an old time filibuster but with a twist. There's basically a question and answer period of 3 minutes, but it drags on to 10 minutes or more per bill. "They" are deliberately trying to run the clock out and right now it looks like they are succeeding. :fire:

The bill is in dire jeopardy of the time running out to be heard and voted on. As I understand it Tuesday is the drop dead date for getting the vote. Saturday is all State Senate business from what I can gleen from the legislative website. Nothing done on Sunday, and Monday, it looks like all day will be taken up by honorariums called Congratulatory and Memorial recognitions. BTW, the Texas Senate has already passed the bill, so all it needs is the vote in the House.......

We'll see, but right now it's not looking to good. :cuss:
 
“When there is an alcohol-related tragedy on campus, you don’t hear claims that giving students a 12-pack is the solution,” he said.
There are people pushing for a lower drinking age as well, making this analogy stupid and wrong.
 
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