No I'm not trying to make anyone mad I'm really not. I still here so many people saying the 9mm is worthless and the .45 acp is king and carry a real gun. I love the .45 acp. I have a $2000 hard chromed Colt custom shop special combat government competition 1911 that was made in May of 2004 and it is 100% perfect with only 1 or 2 mags of ammo through it. My best friend has one just lije it and it is the consecutive serial number to mine!! They wet e both purchased by him brand new at the same time. That is very rare, almost unheard of. I also have a brand new $2000+ Kimber custom shop Gold Combat II limited edition. They were made identical to the 1911 sylvester stallone carried in the movie The Expendables. There were only 1000 made. They are flat out beautiful. My carry guns are 9mm's though. With todays ammo like the stuff from Underwood Ammo which is the best period I promise you the .45 has no advantage over the 9mm at all. The .357 sig is #1 followrd by the 9mm. I've seen all the tests and the damage done by the .357 sig and 9mm is scary. There is a reason why so many law enforcement agencies have gone to the .357 sig and or back to the 9mm. The 9mm's sre better in every way. Way more speed, as much or more energy anf it matches the .45 in expansion and the 9mm has double the round count with a lot less recoil for follow up shots. I would like to hear others opinions on this as well. Like I said I love the .45 but it's time to face the truth. The .45 doesn't have any advantage over the 9mm any more. I know the .45 lovers can't stand to hear that but it's a fact. Feel free to prove me wrong.
The .45 acp has nothing over the 9mm that's a fact.
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I'll prove you wrong as soon as you provide some proof of your points (besides your opinion) to refute.
There's a reason the Marines went back to a .45!
http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/semper-fi-colt-m45a1-cqbp-marine-pistol-review/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...ck-to-their-old-guns-colt-45-caliber-pistols/
There's a reason the Marines went back to a .45!
http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/semper-fi-colt-m45a1-cqbp-marine-pistol-review/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...ck-to-their-old-guns-colt-45-caliber-pistols/
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After reading that post I do not belive any amount or combination of facts, expert testimony, ballastics information, reason and/or logic will ever change your mind. So I will not going to try, but I will grab the popcorn.
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wonder how long till this one is closed
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i like the 45 better
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can the 9mm shoot a 230 grain bullet I didn't think so
Redlg155
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This thread is reminiscent of the Music Awards. jay-z..Beyonce is the best in the world...!! Substitute 9mm for Beyonce....
moxie
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Gorsh Mickey, how come you don't have any $2000 guns? This guy has two!
With special numbers no less.
And, I can't stand it, just like Stallone's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flat out Underwood incredible...period...
With special numbers no less.
And, I can't stand it, just like Stallone's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flat out Underwood incredible...period...
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I don't think I've heard anybody say that the 9mm is worthless.
The debate will rage on as to which one is best, but it ain't like there's a lack of dead bodies to support both sides of the argument.
And if this one goes full-tilt stupid, it'll get shut down pretty quick...so let's keep it on track and civil.
Cheers.
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can the 9mm shoot a 230 grain bullet I didn't think so
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dang it i was going to say that. each time i hear that a 9mm is as good as a 45
i just think did they stop improving on the 45 bullet and just work on the 9mm
i think not
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can the 9mm shoot a 230 grain bullet I didn't think so
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dang it i was going to say that. each time i hear that a 9mm is as good as a 45
i just think did they stop improving on the 45 bullet and just work on the 9mm
i think not
I think you guys should read about what happened in Texas. The state police were on patrol and had pulled over a semi. I can't remember why. There were two officers, a veteran and a new recruit.
A shoot out insued. The veteran officer had a .45 and it would not penetrate the cab of the truck and hit the guy who was shooting at them. The new recruit drew his .357 sig which is just a faster 9mm with 125 grain bullets and shot through thru the cab of that semi and killed the perp and saved there lives.
So much for the snide remark about the 9mm not being able to shoot 230 grain bullets. Like I said I'm not trying to ruffle feathers as I love the .45 but it has no advantage over a 9mm. Do some research and read the tests there easy to find.
I could care less that the marines went back to a .45. There not using it to shoot through barriers to kill people. They have all sorts of grenades, missiles and bombs for that and .50 cal. rifles. Bigger isn't always better but some folks don't like to hear that.
A shoot out insued. The veteran officer had a .45 and it would not penetrate the cab of the truck and hit the guy who was shooting at them. The new recruit drew his .357 sig which is just a faster 9mm with 125 grain bullets and shot through thru the cab of that semi and killed the perp and saved there lives.
So much for the snide remark about the 9mm not being able to shoot 230 grain bullets. Like I said I'm not trying to ruffle feathers as I love the .45 but it has no advantage over a 9mm. Do some research and read the tests there easy to find.
I could care less that the marines went back to a .45. There not using it to shoot through barriers to kill people. They have all sorts of grenades, missiles and bombs for that and .50 cal. rifles. Bigger isn't always better but some folks don't like to hear that.
I think you guys should read about what happened in Texas. The state police were on patrol and had pulled over a semi. I can't remember why.
There were two officers, a veteran and a new recruit. A shoot out insued. The veteran officer had a .45 and it would not penetrate the cab of the truck and hit the guy who was shooting at them.
The new recruit drew his .357 sig which is just a faster 9mm with 125 grain bullets and shot through thru the cab of that semi and killed the perp and saved there lives.
So much for the snide remark about the 9mm not being able to shoot 230 grain bullets. Like I said I'm not trying to ryffle feathers as I love the .45 but it has no advantage over a 9mm.
Do some research and read the tests there easy to find. I could care less that the marines went back to a .45. There not using it to shoot through barriers to kill people. They have all sorts of grenades, missiles and bombs for that and .50 cal. rifles. Bigger isn't always better but some folks don't like to hear that.
There were two officers, a veteran and a new recruit. A shoot out insued. The veteran officer had a .45 and it would not penetrate the cab of the truck and hit the guy who was shooting at them.
The new recruit drew his .357 sig which is just a faster 9mm with 125 grain bullets and shot through thru the cab of that semi and killed the perp and saved there lives.
So much for the snide remark about the 9mm not being able to shoot 230 grain bullets. Like I said I'm not trying to ryffle feathers as I love the .45 but it has no advantage over a 9mm.
Do some research and read the tests there easy to find. I could care less that the marines went back to a .45. There not using it to shoot through barriers to kill people. They have all sorts of grenades, missiles and bombs for that and .50 cal. rifles. Bigger isn't always better but some folks don't like to hear that.
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When someone states an opinion as a fact and offers no data, any credence that opinion carries is void. When someone says "period" at the end of a statement in order to have the last word, or to further present that opinion as fact, I stop listening.
The FACT is that both cartridges offer advantages that the other doesn't. Another FACT that can't be denied is that different bullet weights and diameters that each cartridge utilizes offers different performance and potential performance. And finally, the FACT is that both are effective defense cartridges that are capable of filling different roles.
So carry what you like and let others do the same. And stop trolling. It goes nowhere productive.
The FACT is that both cartridges offer advantages that the other doesn't. Another FACT that can't be denied is that different bullet weights and diameters that each cartridge utilizes offers different performance and potential performance. And finally, the FACT is that both are effective defense cartridges that are capable of filling different roles.
So carry what you like and let others do the same. And stop trolling. It goes nowhere productive.
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See how much better it is with paragraphs?
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Ok well as a combat veteran let me say I have carried the .45 and the beretta 92 they both kill with great ease and lets admit it thats what a gun is for ultimately. Although some shoot simply to punch holes in paper.
The problem with the 9mm for concealed carry is that as carriers we are responsible for each bullet we fire from the time it leaves the barrel until it comes to rest, and everything in between. The 9mm is more known for through and through wounds then the .45 ( which is why police departments tried the 10mm, the 357. Sig etc)
The .45 when loaded with cast lead round nose flat point or semi wad cutter's ( think vietnam era) simply stops an aggressor in his/her tracks. Simply look at the velocities of the 9mm vs the .45
I wont say like some people do get a real gun etc.... i find that to be an ignorant statement, a .25mm behind the ear will kill as will a .22 ask organized crime. For me I know most (70%) of gun encounters happen at 7-10 feet, the .45 has less through and through's than the much higher velocity .9mm which is why it went through the cab of the semi maybe? IMHO
My goal by the way is to weigh in, and remind everybody that we are responsible legally for the bullet from the time it is fired until it comes to rest and everything in between......like an innocent bystander, child ( god forbid) or another police officer!) not to step on toes or pick fights and this one has been around for a very long time! My carry gun? Remington 1911 R-1 Enhanced w/ fiber optic front sight and 8 rnds.
The problem with the 9mm for concealed carry is that as carriers we are responsible for each bullet we fire from the time it leaves the barrel until it comes to rest, and everything in between. The 9mm is more known for through and through wounds then the .45 ( which is why police departments tried the 10mm, the 357. Sig etc)
The .45 when loaded with cast lead round nose flat point or semi wad cutter's ( think vietnam era) simply stops an aggressor in his/her tracks. Simply look at the velocities of the 9mm vs the .45
I wont say like some people do get a real gun etc.... i find that to be an ignorant statement, a .25mm behind the ear will kill as will a .22 ask organized crime. For me I know most (70%) of gun encounters happen at 7-10 feet, the .45 has less through and through's than the much higher velocity .9mm which is why it went through the cab of the semi maybe? IMHO
My goal by the way is to weigh in, and remind everybody that we are responsible legally for the bullet from the time it is fired until it comes to rest and everything in between......like an innocent bystander, child ( god forbid) or another police officer!) not to step on toes or pick fights and this one has been around for a very long time! My carry gun? Remington 1911 R-1 Enhanced w/ fiber optic front sight and 8 rnds.
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Yaaaa!!! Another .45 vs 9mm thread...........
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/02/19/marines-allow-operators-to-choose-glocks-over-marsoc-45.html
I'm sure there a reason they just approved the Glock 19 too.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/02/19/marines-allow-operators-to-choose-glocks-over-marsoc-45.html
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Who are these 'people' who keep saying the 9mm is worthless kemosabe?
I sure have not seen any such post.
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There is a lot of truth in the OP. A bit over the top, but basically true. Despite the legend, the 45 ACP has never been proven to be significantly better than 9mm. For all practical purposes they are a dead tie when comparable ammo is used and always have been. Both were proven to be equally effective during WW-2 with FMJ ammo and both are equally effective today when the best HP ammo is used.
The 45 boys like to tell the story of the 38's failures during the Philippines in the late 1890's and how the 45's were called for to replace them. They never finish the story about how they made no difference.
Jeff Coopers fictional writings during the 1950's and 60's is the basis for most of the 45 legend. It is a good round and I own several, but doesn't come close to the legend.
The 45 boys like to tell the story of the 38's failures during the Philippines in the late 1890's and how the 45's were called for to replace them. They never finish the story about how they made no difference.
Jeff Coopers fictional writings during the 1950's and 60's is the basis for most of the 45 legend. It is a good round and I own several, but doesn't come close to the legend.
Col. Jankoski, Good stuff right there. Nice to here a voice of reason.
dogtown tom, uh huh exactly what I'm talkin about.
There are plenty of hot 9mm 115 grain rounds that will kill you stone dead but will not go through someone. No worries there.
dogtown tom, uh huh exactly what I'm talkin about.
There are plenty of hot 9mm 115 grain rounds that will kill you stone dead but will not go through someone. No worries there.
Deaf Smith, I hear it in gun shops frequently. People bashing the 9mm and saying the .380 is worthless. It's amusing really but it's just not true. So far none of thr people saying this stuff aren't willing to be shot square on the chest with a .380 or 9mm to back up there rant.
1911Tuner
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Well...as to that...I'm not willing to let somebody shoot me square on the chest or anywhere else with a Red Ryder BB gun. That's a pretty inane point.
Try not to give much weight to what you hear in gun shops. The things I've heard in gun shops would make for an entertaining book...without anything factual even being considered for the text.
The thing is...both calibers are pretty ineffectual things to trust our lives to. Portability is the only real advantage...a pistol is easily carried...and with good placement, either one will do. With bad placement, they probably won't.
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I have actually never heard of a .25mm. The decimal equivalant would be 0.0098 or rounded up to .01. It would be approximately 3 pieces of paper in thickness/diameter. I am going to assume you meant .25ACP which would be 1/4" diameter.
OP- your emperical evidence has overwhelmed any argument I could make for the 45acp.
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Both kill things dead. That's all i need to know. Arguing which is better is just an exercise in silliness and time wasting. I own both and many other calibers. They all work.
wow this is a real troll.
you can get high performance ammo for either caliber. both work. There are times when one will be superior to the other and vice versa. You can prove nothing because there simply aren't enough statistics to make viable and scientific conclusions *besides* the fact that accuracy mean everything.
I own both. I chose the 9mm for defense because it's lower recoil is better suited for my wife, should she need to use the gun. And that's all.
you can get high performance ammo for either caliber. both work. There are times when one will be superior to the other and vice versa. You can prove nothing because there simply aren't enough statistics to make viable and scientific conclusions *besides* the fact that accuracy mean everything.
I own both. I chose the 9mm for defense because it's lower recoil is better suited for my wife, should she need to use the gun. And that's all.
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