The ammo shortage?

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krupparms said:
Everyone that I have spoken to agrees. Something is wrong & we are not getting the truth! Everyone cannot be wrong & everyone cannot be right! So the truth must be an inbetween. But no one can say with certainly who is right! And so the ammunition shortage gos on! :banghead:JMO.
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Soooo...

What "truth" are you looking for? It is a government conspiracy? Is it a corporate maneuver to hoard excess production to keep prices up? Have the Daleks landed and exterminated all munitions workers?

Why, oh why, can't it be what it really is without some doomsday proclivities complicating things?

:banghead:
 
I can see a lot of you weren't around or weren't old enough to remember the first gas shortage. Talk about the veneer of civilization being thin, the ammo shortage is a cakewalk in comparison.
 
^Glad I wasn't around for that. I really don't know what people would do in that case... maybe walk or ride bicycles?? lol.

I hear a lot of people reporting getting ammo in their area, but I still have not seen 22lr or 9mm stick around for long. Sometimes I get lucky and get a few remaining boxes of 9mm, but I never find any 22lr.
 
I just got two boxes of 325 rounds of .22LR delivered.....is this what hoarding feels like?
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No, that's what getting "gouged" feels like. According to many of the posters on here if you paid more than the $13.99 per box Wal-Mart price (only problem is that they don't have them) on your .22's, you got ripped off.

Whoever sold the .22's to you for more than what Wal-Mart would sell them for (if Wal-Mart had them) is an evil greedy capitalist stealing food from the mouths of the poor shooting community.
 
I seriously doubt it.
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No, that's what getting "gouged" feels like. According to many of the posters on here if you paid more than the $13.99 per box Wal-Mart price (only problem is that they don't have them) on your .22's, you got ripped off.

Whoever sold the .22's to you for more than what Wal-Mart would sell them for (if Wal-Mart had them) is an evil greedy capitalist stealing food from the mouths of the poor shooting community.
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You guys are funny this fine AM.

I'll play along. I paid 18.99 per box. OMG NOW you tell me!. HELP HELP - I've been robbed!!! NATCHEZ pulled a knife, held me captive and gouged me..... (checks .gov site) $5 per box.:eek::fire::eek::what::D
 
When the oil embargo was going on in the late 70s we were all on the internet complaining to our French model wive's about the government conspiracy and the gouging gas stations. THR graphics included people with bell bottom jeans and stacked heels sporting an afro. We sat in line listening to the Bee Gees on our 8 track players.

People actually waited for hours to get gas. There were limits to the amount of gas you could buy at any one time ad prices skyrocketed. Stations actually ran out of gas! Sound familiar?

When Katrina hit the Gulf Coast we waited in line for gas and saw prices nearly double over night. Stations ran out of gas!

These were supply situations. There was not enough supply to meet NORMAL demand. Supplies eventually caught up with demand.

What we have now is a demand situation. There is not enough supply to meet demand because demand, for a variety of reasons, is much higher than it was a year ago. Supplies will eventually catch up with demands and the availability issue will resolve itself.

Whether or not prices go back to what they were a year ago is something nobody can answer. It certainly didn't happen with gas. The lowest price I recall was around $.59 a gallon. A Coke(I'm from the South so all soft drinks are Cokes. We have Dr. Pepper Coke.) was a nickel when I was a kid. A little pack of Daisy BBs was a nickel as well so we really only needed a quarter between two friends to have a fun day shooting tweety birds and squirrels. I remember finding a dollar on the ground one day and we shot BBs for a month.
 
When the oil embargo was going on in the late 70s...
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True or not, I can't say, but in my old job I often worked around the loading / shipping docks - I had many an OTR truck driver tell me during the oil embargo there were tankers full of oil sitting just offshore that were not allowed to dock / unload.
 
jrdolall said:
What we have now is a demand situation. There is not enough supply to meet demand because demand, for a variety of reasons, is much higher than it was a year ago. Supplies will eventually catch up with demands and the availability issue will resolve itself.
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I'm sticking with the Dalek theory, myself.

:)
 
I just got two boxes of 325 rounds of .22LR delivered.....is this what hoarding feels like?
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All year I've been bemoaning the fact that I could not go out and shoot my .22 handguns or rifles because I couldn't find any ammo and I didn't have any stockpiled (yes, yes, it was foolish of me).

Now, I just scored three 500 round bricks of good .22LR in the last week or so! Woohoo! But now I'm afraid to go shoot it until I get some more... I think this is what hoarding feels like! :p
 
West side wallywerld of the People's Republik of Lawrence, Kansass, had some 100 round 9mm, 45, .223 and 7.62x39 the other day. Also some standard velocity CCI 22.
I got 3 boxes of the 22...:)
 
45_auto said:
No, that's what getting "gouged" feels like. According to many of the posters on here if you paid more than the $13.99 per box Wal-Mart price (only problem is that they don't have them) on your .22's, you got ripped off.

Whoever sold the .22's to you for more than what Wal-Mart would sell them for (if Wal-Mart had them) is an evil greedy capitalist stealing food from the mouths of the poor shooting community.
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I guess you don't understand that walmart with 3,000 plus stores is able to get a better price on ammo for resale then anyone else especially your LGS's and retail chains like Academy,Dicks or others? You cannot expect anyone else to beat walmarts price day in day out.
 
45_auto said:
No, that's what getting "gouged" feels like. According to many of the posters on here if you paid more than the $13.99 per box Wal-Mart price (only problem is that they don't have them) on your .22's, you got ripped off.

Whoever sold the .22's to you for more than what Wal-Mart would sell them for (if Wal-Mart had them) is an evil greedy capitalist stealing food from the mouths of the poor shooting community.
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Soooo....if I CHOSE to buy .22s somewhere for LESS than what Walmart would sell them for, does that mean Walmart "is an evil greedy capitalist stealing food from the mouths of the poor shooting community"?

Or, perchance, does that just mean that the place I bought the ammunition from maybe got a better deal on wholesale and has a satisfactory profit margin at a lower retail price, for whatever the reason?

Many Walmarts also sell gas. Does this mean that everybody who sells gas for higher than Walmart "is an evil greedy capitalist stealing food from the mouths of the poor [driving] community"? Because, if so, turnabout's fair play because I routinely buy gas at cheaper places than Walmart.

And here's another shocker...the prices from one Walmart to the next aren't necessarily the same, either. Does that mean the Walmarts with higher prices are "evil greedy capitalist stealing food from the mouths of the poor shooting community"?



Expecting ALL prices to be the SAME for a given commodity, regardless of where you buy them, is part and parcel with socialist economics. We don't have that kind of economy in the United States.


All you can really say about people who paid more than the $13.99 per box Wal-Mart price for their .22 ammunition is that they didn't get as good a deal as they could have.

Unless, of course, it meant buring up $10 in gas just to get to the Walmart with the $13.99 per box price. Then maybe paying $5 extra at the LGS two blocks away is a pretty darned good deal.
 
i just saw more boxes of .22lr at my local walmart in the ammo case than I have seen in 3 area walmarts for the last year ! must have been 2 dozen bricks and the same in 50 round boxes!
 
Went to Meijer (Houston Rd, Florence KY) this morning and (as usual) saw empty shelves, no pistol or rifle ammo...been that way since Dec 2012. But however I did notice that they are now stocking solar panels and charge controllers by Shumacher ...good survival item. So that makes two stores in Florence that carry solar panels and related equipment (Harbor Freight is the other one).

Now if I can only find at least one store in Florence or anywhere in Boone County that has pistol and rifle ammo readily available, in stock, on its shelves for a price that is close to what it was last year...then I would say the shortage is over. So far that is not the case.

Maybe I'll drive over to Wallyworld tomorrow in order to find what time I need to come back and wait in line (like making an appointment) in order to get a box of .45 acp.
 
Once the wives find all the boxes of .22 rimfire that the bubba's have stashed under the bed of the trailer, critical mass will have been achieved, and the "shortage" will end.

Next time, stock up three year's worth of what you'll actually use for those three years.

You don't need to stock any more than that unless you get a kick out of doing hours of work selling online and at flea markets to make a 20% profit on stuff for which you paid retail prices.

If an ammo shortage lasts more than three years, there are things you will need much more urgently than .22 ammo.
 
You guys are funny this fine AM.

I'll play along. I paid 18.99 per box. OMG NOW you tell me!. HELP HELP - I've been robbed!!! NATCHEZ pulled a knife, held me captive and gouged me..... (checks .gov site) $5 per box.
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I Lol'ed.

I bought the same 2 boxes from Natchezss last week. Its not gouging at all. I'm glad they even had 2 boxes to sell me :p

those same bricks costed $15 at Walmart... in January. $18/box is a good deal.
 
Midwest said:
Went to Meijer (Houston Rd, Florence KY) this morning and (as usual) saw empty shelves, no pistol or rifle ammo...been that way since Dec 2012. But however I did notice that they are now stocking solar panels and charge controllers by Shumacher ...good survival item. So that makes two stores in Florence that carry solar panels and related equipment (Harbor Freight is the other one).

Now if I can only find at least one store in Florence or anywhere in Boone County that has pistol and rifle ammo readily available, in stock, on its shelves for a price that is close to what it was last year...then I would say the shortage is over. So far that is not the case.

Maybe I'll drive over to Wallyworld tomorrow in order to find what time I need to come back and wait in line (like making an appointment) in order to get a box of .45 acp.
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Are you sure you are ready for the sticker shock you will experience. The outdoor range I belong too has a proshop and their WWB 100 count 45acp is selling for $70.25. At Academy its $49.99, well it was the last time they had any.
 
Soon ordering ammo to be mailed to doorstep will be thing of the past and local purchases will require card and involve government mandated purchase limits. Please be sure to visit local store that has ammo at least two hours before doors crack open. I hope this help you.
 
True or not, I can't say, but in my old job I often worked around the loading / shipping docks - I had many an OTR truck driver tell me during the oil embargo there were tankers full of oil sitting just offshore that were not allowed to dock / unload.
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That was true - I lived in TX at the time of the 79 situation and was working on an oil refinery that had a leak in the pipeline to the tank farm - they didn't care as they were holding back supply to get prices up and the news choppers showed pics of rigs sitting offshore not being given permission to come into the ship channel to offload the oil

I do not think that is the same case here with the ammo makers, however
 
Queen_of_Thunder said:
Are you sure you are ready for the sticker shock you will experience. The outdoor range I belong too has a proshop and their WWB 100 count 45acp is selling for $70.25. At Academy its $49.99, well it was the last time they had any.
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100 rounds for $49 at Academy is not bad considering I paid $32 a box of 50 earlier this year. Last year .45acp a box of 50 was about $21.
 
PabloJ said:
Soon ordering ammo to be mailed to doorstep will be thing of the past and local purchases will require card and involve government mandated purchase limits. Please be sure to visit local store that has ammo at least two hours before doors crack open. I hope this help you.
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I guess you are talking about California and the new ID requirement.

Before FOPA 1986, handgun ammo was federally regulated and had a record keeping requirement. It had no law enforcement value and even the BATF director agreed it should done away with.


http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/f...x?s="Firearms+Owners'+Protection+Act"&st=&ps=

"In 1986, the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms supported eliminating the record keeping requirement: "The Bureau and the [Treasury] Department have recognized that current record keeping requirements for ammunition have no substantial law enforcement value."2 As a result, the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 repealed the ammunition restrictions, with little opposition.."
 
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