The New S&W “Response” 9mm carbine

[Mick Boon]

The reason I asked if this new S&W has any special features that the rest don't have, was that I was trying to see if there was anything unique about it.

The response has shown that it does not offer anything new.

 

[someguy2800]

I'm curious how much the bolt weighs. It looks like from what I can see that the bolt is larger diameter than an AR bolt which is a good thing. The small internal diameter of the receiver makes it hard to get enough weight in the bolt on an standard AR15 upper

 

[C-grunt]

The reason I asked if this new S&W has any special features that the rest don't have, was that I was trying to see if there was anything unique about it.

The response has shown that it does not offer anything new.

What special features does the M&P pistol have? How about their AR15 line?

It's perfectly fine and good business practice to build a rifle that people want even if it's not revolutionary

 

[Mick Boon]

What special features does the M&P pistol have? How about their AR15 line?

It's perfectly fine and good business practice to build a rifle that people want even if it's not revolutionary

You are right it's not revolutionary, it's just another sad PPC to add to the long line of them.

 

[someguy2800]

You are right it's not revolutionary, it's just another sad PPC to add to the long line of them.

I think we’ve pretty well established you have no use for a pcc and that’s great, so I don’t think we need to beat the horse any more.

 

[Mick Boon]

I think we’ve pretty well established you have no use for a pcc and that’s great, so I don’t think we need to beat the horse any more.

It is not unusual to answer a post, especially when being quoted, just like I'm replying to your post now.

PS, I did not realize PCC owners needed safe spaces.

PPS , what more can be said about it anyway ?

 

[chicharrones]

PS, I did not realize PCC owners needed safe spaces.

No more than any other gun discussion, including owners starting threads about sliding stock bolt action carbines. Notice how no one piled on heaps of textual dung into that thread?

In my mind, an "AR9" can make a good trainer for an AR15. Especially since it would appear that S&W recognizes the market segment of urbanites that have easy access to nearby indoor shooting ranges.

 

[gotboostvr]

No more than any other gun discussion, including owners starting threads about sliding stock bolt action carbines. Notice how no one piled on heaps of textual dung into that thread?

In my mind, an "AR9" can make a good trainer for an AR15. Especially since it would appear that S&W recognizes the market segment of urbanites that have easy access to nearby indoor shooting ranges.

Do not feed the trolls.

 

[InTheSwamp]

Interesting firearm, but I'd pick the Ruger.

 

[TTv2]

IDK if I would pick this over the Ruger or vice versa, but I've said in the past that there's no perfect PCC out there because they all have strengths and weaknesses. This Response and the Ruger PC have the mag in front of the trigger, the Kel Tec, Beretta, and Hi Point have the mag in the pistol grip and I like that more.

Every single PCC has its own unique pros and cons to the point that I've almost concluded that the best platform for a PCC is the AR as it provides a cheap shooting trainer with huge customization and accessory options. The folders like Kel Tec have issues, but the light compact nature of them and low price make them worth owning at least one.

What would be a game changer with PCC's is some sort of delayed blowback action and as someone mentioned earlier there are buffer tube roller delayed options out there for the AR. That pretty much seals it for what the best platform is.

 

[marvin02]

@md7 and any others who want more info on 9mm blowback ARs I suggest this site:

Blowback9.com

No-BS information for the 9mm AR.

blowback9.wordpress.com

I have 2 Ruger PC Carbines and an M&P FPC. I've owned a PSA AR9 and a Marlin Camp 9. The FPC, despite being the lightest, has the least felt recoil.

I like that the Response is made in the U.S. by a solid company like S&W. It's a refinement of guns that have come before, nothing radical in design.

This rifle might be an introduction to some who haven't embraced AR style rifles being in a less expensive caliber and using the same mags as a pistol you already own.

 

[md7]

@md7 and any others who want more info on 9mm blowback ARs I suggest this site:

Blowback9.com

No-BS information for the 9mm AR.

blowback9.wordpress.com

I have 2 Ruger PC Carbines and an M&P FPC. I've owned a PSA AR9 and a Marlin Camp 9. The FPC, despite being the lightest, has the least felt recoil.

I like that the Response is made in the U.S. by a solid company like S&W. It's a refinement of guns that have come before, nothing radical in design.

This rifle might be an introduction to some who haven't embraced AR style rifles being in a less expensive caliber and using the same mags as a pistol you already own.

Thanks @marvin02

 

[marvin02]

Honest Outlaw first shots video:

New S&W Response 9mm Carbine First Shots: An Affordable, Lightweight PCC

The new Smith & Wesson Response is a budget friendly pistol caliber carbine. Do you love HONEST reviews for the PEOPLE, not the industry? Make sure you subsc...

youtu.be

 

[Elkins45]

Just a caution based on experience: if you‘re a left handed shooter you might want to rent or borrow one before you buy. Some blowback guns spray out so much gas from the ejection port they can burn your face or even blow gas up under your glasses.

 

[Lo-Profile]

I have a AR and AK both chambered in 9mm. The AR has a 5" barrel and the AK 11.2".
Great shooters, without issue

 

[kimberkid]

I’ve already got a Colt AR 9mm, CZ Scorpion, MP5, MP5K & MP5SD … and a couple others I haven’t shot in years.

Besides the fact it’s just another AR, I can’t see that I need another AR or 9mm PCC.

 

[valnar]

I'm not a fan of magwells that aren't tailor made to the caliber. I understand why S&W did it, but still don't like it. I don't buy any guns like that, and yeah, that means 9mm AR15's too.

 

[Walkalong]

I'm not a fan of magwells that aren't tailor made to the caliber. I understand why S&W did it, but still don't like it. I don't buy any guns like that, and yeah, that means 9mm AR15's too.

I get that basic notion, but it works in a couple of other options already. It wouldn’t stop me from buying this new 9MM carbine with the module (or whatever they call it) of my choice to run the mags I want.

My 9MM AR is a standard lower with the old conversion mag block.mag. Runs great.

 

[highlander 5]

Haven't read all 5 pages M&P and Glock mags doesn't count as a "variety" in my book. Living in MA hi cap mags made after 1994 are illegal and pricey 2nd hand.
I got lucky and acquired a fair number of Beretta 92fs hi caps and would like to see a pcc that would use such mags. I don't care for the Beretta pcc too Buck Rogers for my taste.

 

[marvin02]

@highlander 5 - the Keltec Sub 2000 multi-mag version will run Beretta mags and the $100 rebate is still going on.

Wilson Combat makes an AR9 that uses Beretta magazines.

AR9 Carbine, Beretta Receiver, 9mm, 16" Barrel, 1-10 Twist, Flat Dark Earth, Black Flag

Not simply a converted AR-15, the Wilson Combat AR9 has been specifically designed for superior reliability and maximum accuracy, while retaining the familiar handling and controls of the AR platform.

wilsoncombat.com

Those 2 cover the price spectrum.

 

[SterlingBullet]

I pay no attention the the price of ammo, just the price of components. I load for every rifle I own including 375 H&H. 30 M1 Carbine is very cheap to shoot.

How anyone other than a complete novice does not reload is beyond my comprehension.

I would like to reload, but there are reasons that I don’t:
Lack of confidence in my skills to reload properly.
My middle name is “Murphy’s Law”, every project I work on something always goes wrong.
No dedicated space available in the garage to set up reloading area.
Heat and humidity in Central Florida discourages reloading and storing in a garage.
No dedicated space available in the house to set up reloading area.
I have thought about very simple reloading for 45 Colt to save some money.

 

[Pat Riot]

I would like to reload, but there are reasons that I don’t:
Lack of confidence in my skills to reload properly.
My middle name is “Murphy’s Law”, every project I work on something always goes wrong.
No dedicated space available in the garage to set up reloading area.
Heat and humidity in Central Florida discourages reloading and storing in a garage.
No dedicated space available in the house to set up reloading area.
I have thought about very simple reloading for 45 Colt to save some money.

Check out Lee Precision’s Reloading Stand. It doesn’t take up a lot of room. That stand and a Challenger Breechlock single stage press kit and some dies and you could have a closet reloading set up.

 

[Jim Watson]

Early days, I had a press on a homemade stand next to a card table with components. When done, stand in the corner, fold up the card table. A friend had a press on a typewriter table which he rolled into a closet when not in use.

 

[Bartojc]

I missed the "Response" when it happened, I guess life got in the way ? Guessing a few of you have one ? WOndering how they are and can any anyone compare to the Ruger PCC ? What is the street price for the S&W ? Thoughts on the composite receiver other then weight savings ?

-Jeff

 

[Buzznrose]

A decent AR can be had for no extra money. Why bother with a pissy 9mm ?

Cheaper
Available
Can be used at pistol steel target range
Fun
Magazine compatibility


Every reason folks have used same caliber handgun/long guns for decades…