There is no reason to have an Assault Rifle--Really?

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There is no need to have an assault rifle. How many times have we heard that?
An incident occurred right up the road from me about three weeks ago that explains why such are needed.

A young lady came home from day classes at the local university, came in and turned the TV on and relaxed. She heard their dogs barking in the yard and thought nothing at first but then she heard a shot fired and looked out the window to see three males putting on latex gloves and heading for the house.

She ran upstairs, got her pistol out, called her Father who was working two miles away and said, "Get home now." and cut him off and called 911. While on the phone she heard them break in and went down to landing on stairs and yelled out, "You better get out of here right now."

The leader whistled and they departed so she went to the window and saw FIVE getting back into the car. Apparently two had got out before they pulled in the drive way and had gone to the back of the house.

Think about it, taking on five armed guys by yourself is not a recipe for success when all you have is a handgun which are not the best for self defense. The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center has taught for years two shots to body and if still on their feet go for the head.

As they pulled out of the yard she gave the 911 Operator the vehicle description and within seconds an incoming unit stated he was passing the vehicle and turned around and they started to run. They were chased about 12 miles until they lost control and overturned with the car coming to rest wheels down and four bailed out of the car and ran.

That brought in the world and three of the four were caught that afternoon and the fifth the next morning at the home of a relative who claimed he was not there. A search of the house found him thusly she was arrested as well.

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/32195403/six-arrested-after-burglary-police-chase-in-wagener

http://www.live5news.com/story/32195403/six-arrested-after-burglary-police-chase-in-wagener
 
Sounds like she did the right things and was fortunate that the criminals chose to retreat. It's also good that there was such a quick response time by the police.
In some rural areas that would not be the case.
 
When a radical terrorist gang decides that your life doesn't matter, then you may need improve your odds of survival with the best equipment available to you. If my house is on fire, i prefer to have a huge firetruck at my disposal rather than a 16oz aerosol fire extinguisher.
 
certainly a scenario that would get the blood pumping. Reads like a perfect example of what to do in the event that you're outnumbered in your home.
 
This story makes no sense. Why would the bad guys announce themselves by firing a shot? And, since they didn't actually see her, how did they know she was armed? If the motive was a home-invasion robbery, why didn't they continue with their plans? Or was their problem a complete lack of a plan?

Something just doesn't add up.
 
Normally the response time is closer to 15 minutes. A few years ago I was out riding my mountain bike and spotted a couple guys trying to steal a neighbor's tractor and steel.

I called 911 and operator wanted to know how I knew this. I told her I was watching them. Still took 15 minutes.

They got three years each.

The only explanation about shots fired outside was to scare their dogs that were barking. What I want to see is the chase scene tape.

They broke into three houses that afternoon.
 
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There is no need to have an assault rifle. How many times have we heard that?
An incident occurred right up the road from me about three weeks ago that explains why such are needed.

A young lady came home from day classes at the local university, came in and turned the TV on and relaxed. She heard their dogs barking in the yard and thought nothing at first but then she heard a shot fired and looked out the window to see three males putting on latex gloves and heading for the house.

She ran upstairs, got her pistol out, called her Father who was working two miles away and said, "Get home now." and cut him off and called 911. While on the phone she heard them break in and went down to landing on stairs and yelled out, "You better get out of here right now."

The leader whistled and they departed so she went to the window and saw FIVE getting back into the car. Apparently two had got out before they pulled in the drive way and had gone to the back of the house.

Think about it, taking on five armed guys by yourself is not a recipe for success when all you have is a handgun which are not the best for self defense. The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center has taught for years two shots to body and if still on their feet go for the head.

As they pulled out of the yard she gave the 911 Operator the vehicle description and within seconds an incoming unit stated he was passing the vehicle and turned around and they started to run. They were chased about 12 miles until they lost control and overturned with the car coming to rest wheels down and four bailed out of the car and ran.

That brought in the world and three of the four were caught that afternoon and the fifth the next morning at the home of a relative who claimed he was not there. A search of the house found him thusly she was arrested as well.

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/32195403/six-arrested-after-burglary-police-chase-in-wagener

http://www.live5news.com/story/32195403/six-arrested-after-burglary-police-chase-in-wagener
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I would move into better area at your earliest opportunity.
 
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Yea because criminals can't drive.
Escaping inner city blight may make some feel safe but those outlying areas are ripe for plunder.

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Yea because criminals can't drive.
Escaping inner city blight may make some feel safe but those outlying areas are ripe for plunder.
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Dangerous, high crime areas are more dangerous than lower crime areas. This shouldn't even need to be stated.
 
She invited her dad to a home invasion without telling him what was up. Huge etiquette breach.


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Ok...so.... Bad guys ran by merely telling them to leave and the cops got them.


How is this story proving that an assault rifle is 'needed'? :confused:


She didn't even scare them away by saying she had any gun at all.

At best, this is an example of when one might be desired.


At worst, this is great example for the anti's to show that guns aren't needed.
 
She invited her dad to a home invasion without telling him what was up.
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His very own daughter's tone of voice told him everything else he needed to know besides, "Get home now."

But what seems really far-fetched is the reported reaction of the perps to her command, "You better get out of here now". I get the impression, too, that she remained unseen? or was she seen shouldering her AR loaded w/ 30 rounds...

[Edit: she is reported to have had a handgun...]


How is this story proving that an assault rifle is 'needed'?
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Respectfully, my take is that here in the Land Of The Ten-Round Mag, I'd love! to have at least 5 rounds if not six (without the need for a reload) per violent felon... alas; it is not to be at this juncture.
 
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Respectfully, my take is that here in the Land Of The Ten-Round Mag, I'd love! to have at least 5 rounds if not six (without the need for a reload) per violent felon... alas; it is not to be at this juncture.
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Well, sure, so would I!!

But this story doesn't do anything to help us. Its illustrating that a simple shouting of 'Get out of here now' potentially works to thwart off a home invasion.


In terms of promoting gun Rights, this story is worst than ol' Joe saying all you need to is to just fire a couple rounds from your double barrel shot gun to scare them a way.
 
When is having more rounds on tap a ad thing?
Would you rather have a 6 shot 380 or 5 shot 38?
Predictably the discussion quickly turned to critique the story while almost completely ignoring the topic.
The OP used the point that possibly 6 burglars were on the property and a powerful weapon has its place despite what many claim.
Poor tactics aside, she would've been better off with a carbine on that landing than with a handgun.

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Predictably the discussion quickly turned to critique the story while almost completely ignoring the topic.
The OP used the point that possibly 6 burglars were on the property and a powerful weapon has its place despite what many claim.
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I'm not critiquing the story one bit.


Focusing on the bold part....

Lady yells at bad guys to leave and it worked.
No shots were fired.
No display of any weapon was required.
No claim of even having a weapon of any kind was made.


Please explain how that counters the anti's.

I'm just saying that this story could just as easily, if not more easily, be used to bolster the anti's (false) claims.
 
There is no reason to own a copy of Mad magazine.

But Freedom of the Press is not dependent on any "reason".

It is a right.
 
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We are American's, we don't need a reason.
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Actually, an unalienable right is a right that everyone has, even people of other countries.

It's just is that people in other countries are having that right repressed.
 
South Carolina Code 16-11-311. Burglary; first degree
Current as of: 2015 | Check for updates | Other versions
(A) A person is guilty of burglary in the first degree if the person enters a dwelling without consent and with intent to commit a crime in the dwelling, and either:

(1) when, in effecting entry or while in the dwelling or in immediate flight, he or another participant in the crime:

(a) is armed with a deadly weapon or explosive; or

(b) causes physical injury to a person who is not a participant in the crime; or

(c) uses or threatens the use of a dangerous instrument; or

(d) displays what is or appears to be a knife, pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, or other firearm; or

(2) the burglary is committed by a person with a prior record of two or more convictions for burglary or housebreaking or a combination of both; or

(3) the entering or remaining occurs in the nighttime.

(B) Burglary in the first degree is a felony punishable by life imprisonment. For purposes of this section, "life" means until death. The court, in its discretion, may sentence the defendant to a term of not less than fifteen years.

The above is what they have charged them with so far. I suspect they will plead guilty and there won't be a trial to go see.

I have seen several of these folks around (news pics above) . This is a rural part of the county and we are 15 miles out of Aiken, SC, (largest town around). They broke in house across the road a couple years ago and only reason I can figure they did not break in here is there were two cars in the yard and obviously a rifle range behind the house. They got them.

They broke in another house 300 yards away about ten years back and stole a racing four wheeler. Owner's father caught up with them in town, ran them down and cold cocked one before he could get off.

When we leave I have two vehicles in the yard and have had three when we are gone and the houses that were broke into there were no vehicles during daylight. Now folks across street have one to two vehicles in sight at all times and up and down the road have two vehicles in yard. Most of us are retired and are here during the day as well.



Have another friend and when he and family leave town they only tell immediate family and us and I cruise by and go in daily for a looksee and feed his dog,cats,fish. He had trouble until he installed an radio controlled gate and fenced it off. What did it for him was one night two county PD cars were enroute to a call in Wagener (above) and they had both just passed a pickup truck (4AM) and the supervisor checked his rearview mirror and saw the truck turn into my buddies property and he knew that was not right so he turned around and came back and into his property and they had disappeared. No way out but were finally found. The truck had been painted flat black and no chrome on it was visible. Finally he spotted the head lights reflecting.

The searched them, truck etc nothing to hold them on so they were written up and put on Trespass after notice which means if they are ever seen on property again for any reason they go to jail and get 100.00 fine. It was a man/woman team. Guy has since been arrested for theft of a motorcycle. He had stolen it and stopped at a station to get a drink on the way back to town.

Woman walks in and wants to know who owns truck outside and the perp said it was his. She wants to know what her motorcycle is doing in his truck and he develops a case of smart mouth and goes for a knife in his pocket. She produced a Glock 40 Cal in his face and held him to county PD arrived. She had just left the county PD for another job.
 
Whenever An Anti-gun person asks me why I NEED to own my AR-15, I reply "self defense" and of course they come back with something like "You don't need a military type assault rifle for that." My response is: "If you feel that you ever need to defend your life against an unknown number of assailants, what better gun to use than one designed exactly for that purpose?"

If you think about it, being attacked by an unknown number of assailants is very similar to a military situation. You want the nastiest weapon you can get your hands on.

If you have to dig a trench in you yard for a power line you don't do it with a hand trowel.
 
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