Thinking about a KelTec or Highpoint Carbine

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Thinking about getting a KelTec or Highpoint Carbine in most likely 9mm. I know that the KelTec can use a Glock Magazine. What magazines does the Highpoint use?

Anybody shot either one of this rifles?
 
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I had the HiPoint, and rented a KelTec.

Save your money, get the Beretta with the 92 magazine. Far better gun.

To clarify...

The HiPoint is made of Zamak, an alloy of zinc. It's fine for light duty applications but tends to be rather fragile in firearms. You're also relegated to the proprietary single stack mags, and while they do work, a 9mm carbine is absurdly fun and that ten rounds go very quickly. Disassembly requireds a degree in mechanical engineering.:scrutiny:

The KelTec is...weird. Sure it folds in half and all but much of the 'action' takes place right at your cheek weld on the tube. Sights are rather crude as well. It does take various magazines though, the saving grace.

My Beretta CX4 is solid, high quality, ambidextrous, super simple to fully disassemble and has really good stock peep sights that fold down if you want to use a red dot. My 92 version accepts the 'hi cap' mags or standard 15-18rd standard mags. Yeah, it has a plastic trigger group but seems to work fine.
 
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The Hi-Point uses a Hi-Point magazine.

Get the Kel-Tec.

The Hi-Point guns are as big and heavy as an AR, but hold just 10 rounds.
 
Between the two, if we're talking about the Gen 1 model, I say Sub 2000. With that, you're going to be able to find 9mm Glock magazines everywhere and now that Magpul has come out with Glock mags (in 9mm only >_<) you can get good quality, 17 round mags for $15. The Gen 1 sights are okay. I love the rear sight, but that front sight is a horrible plastic... thing. I'd get either the fiber optic sight from Tandemkross or the metal AR style combat sight and replace that hideous thing.

If we're talking Gen 2 Sub 2000's... Idk. I've heard that it has front sight issues in that it's not secure and can come loose from shooting and is a PITA to get straight again.

The Hi Point is okay and inexpensive. If it weren't for the magazines, I probably would have bought one, but because Hi Point acts like the AWB is still law, I skipped it.

If you want something a little more "solid" and you own a Glock, look at the Mechtech uppers they seem like real good quality.

If you own or are looking to own a Beretta PX4 Storm, then take a look at the CX4 carbine as the mags interchange. It's very pricey and I hate that you get this huge hunk of plastic, but it's probably the best quality pistol carbine available.

Really, a lot of what you choose with pistol carbines is their mag system. I like Glocks and Glock mags, so I only look at carbines that use them.
 
Ignore the Kel Point bashers. Either one of these is going to be a blast for you to own. The hi-point is much cheaper but if you own a bunch of Glock 9mm mags then that is a plus for the kel tec.

Some will continue to compare an $800 beretta to these guns which sell for half the price. Apples and Oranges defined.

Enjoy!
 
Ignore the Kel Point bashers. Either one of these is going to be a blast for you to own. The hi-point is much cheaper but if you own a bunch of Glock 9mm mags then that is a plus for the kel tec.

Some will continue to compare an $800 beretta to these guns which sell for half the price. Apples and Oranges defined.

Enjoy!
I wasn't bashing Kel Tec at all. I think the Sub 2000 is one of the best pistol carbines a person can buy as it's super adaptable. I just can't in good conscience say that the Cx4 is worse or equal to a Sub 2k in quality or price.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a Cx4 because I'm not interested in owning a 92FS or a Px4.
 
Several years ago, I had my heart set on buying a pistol-caliber carbine in 9mm. Since I didn't own any of the handguns with which to share mags, that wasn't a factor, although mag availability should have been a factor. I didn't give that much thought. Well, the CX4 was beyond my budget, and the SUB2000s were nowhere to be found, so I bought a Hi-Point 995TS. It performed just fine with the factory sights, but I eventually bought a decent red dot. For several years and thousands of rounds, it functioned reliably with only minimal cleaning.

These days, the ol' Hi-Point is in pieces after finally starting to succumb to accumulated wear and tear, not to mention an incredible amount of filth. If not for the fact that I've since bought a couple of ARs and a Kel-tec SU-16 carbine, I'd probably be in a hurry to get it cleaned and slapped back together . . . or sent off for warranty service if necessary.

However, being totally honest, the 995TS is a pain to really dig into compared to an AR come cleaning time, and while it's fun to shoot, it's no more fun than an AR, and the mag limitations start becoming hard to ignore. I've since bought a Beretta 92F and S&W 5903, which opens up mag-sharing possibilities with the CX4 and SUB2000 if I was so inclined. There's also the option of a 9mm AR15. So, like I said, my Hi-Point sits in pieces. It has more than paid for its modest price of admission with a lot of enjoyment, but it certainly has some things working against it.
 
Thinking about getting a KelTec or Highpoint Carbine in most likely 9mm. I know that the KelTec can use a Glock Magazine. What magazines does the Highpoint use?

Anybody shot either one of this rifles?
RunninLate, you didn't mention what you would expect out of either.

I can only speak of the Hi-Point. Having 2 of them, the old fugly 995 and a 4095TS, I really enjoy shooting them. Cheap and reliable. They only get out to the range once in awhile. Both have been accurate and I haven't had any cycling issues.

I would have like to have handled a Kel-Tec, but locally, they seem to be rarely than Elk in Ohio. :)
 
Kcofohio

I just want to play around with it.

Maybe when traveling up north where the handgun laws are BS, through it in the car. A friend bought a motorhome and put a Highpoint in there for that reason.

Most of my guns are for entertainment purpose only.:D
 
If it's just a fun gun, save the money and get a HiPoint.

I bought the gen1 9mm carbine new for $189 and put it in an ATI stock to make it a sort of CX4 clone. Extra mags are cheap. It's crude, heavy, take down for cleaning is a pain, ergo's are not the best, but it's cheap entertainment.

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I don't understand that statement.:confused:

Is it obligatory to buy a pistol when getting a carbine? Are they sold as a pair?:scrutiny:
No, but when the alternative is possibly the most expensive pistol carbine on the market for what is just for fun, I don't think the Cx4 is the best choice.
 
I have a Keltec in 40 cal and I like it a lot. I was lusting after more expensive pistol carbines, but finally realized they weren't really that much more accurate to justify the extra cost. Not everyone likes that they fold in half, but I like being able to fit the rifle and an 8-pack of stick mags in a gym bag to carry to the range.
 
...The KelTec is...weird. Sure it folds in half and all but much of the 'action' takes place right at your cheek weld on the tube. Sights are rather crude as well. It does take various magazines though, the saving grace...

Especially if you want magazine compatibility between your sidearm & carbine...:evil:

G19_S2K_mags.jpg (click on image to expand)

Tube cover is available for comfort and the sight was dramatically upgraded on the Gen 2 model. Still folds in half :)

...Not everyone likes that they fold in half, but I like being able to fit the rifle and an 8-pack of stick mags in a gym bag to carry to the range.

Yep...:D
 
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I wish the non-glock sub2000 models were more prevalent. Would love to find one that took the S&W mags to go along with my 5904 and P11. Guess I'll have to stay content with my Marlin Camp 9.
 
I've had a Hi Point in .45acp for a few years. At the time I was not reloading 9mm, it retrospect I think the 9mm is a better choice. It's a bit ugly but entertaining, it's cheap to buy but the maker gives a NO BS warranty and my experience with them has been all good. Magazines are cheap and I believe they ship for free. This is a reliable, adaptable cheap HD weapon if that's all the money you have. Don't clean it til you reach 1000 rounds. I've tested ammo til I'm blue in the face and used all kinds of sights, but mine is not particularly accurate but others have said theirs were, so YMMV. To it's credit mine will feed any bullet shape even LSWC.

I have a couple of other PCC's, I'd trade them for a good GI M1 Carbine.
 
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I've had a Hi Point 995TS, and keep my eyes open for a S2K Gen 1, non Glock model so I can have mag compatibility with my P-11 and S&W 469. If I can find a Marlin Camp 9 in decent condition at a reasonable price, that's also on my list.

But since my recent acquisition of a Ruger P-89, I've added the Ruger PC9 to my list to keep my eyes open for.

Personally, I've considered a few times getting another Hi Point 995. They are fun, reasonably accurate, and if just for fun, at under $300, why not?

But I have always decided against it. I sold it once, couldn't tell you the reason. I think limited magazine capacity and only having a couple mags on hand, and only one option for higher capacity mags (which voids your warranty) from Pro-mag, was one of the reasons it lost it's novelty. Better mag availability, or non-proprietary mags, would be much more enticing for me to reacquire a Hi Point. But I'm currently only considering a home build AR 9mm carbine, and I'm not even actively pursuing that, or any 9mm carbine.
 
I have a Gen 1 Kel Tec that uses Glock 19 mags.

It's a great little carbine. Plenty accurate and mines totally reliable with factory Glock 19, 17 and 33 mags.

Only complaint was the translucent plastic front sight blades kept cracking... I built one out of a thin piece of brass (old door striker plate) and it's been perfect.
Will
 
As a point in favor of the kel tec i saw a post on he firearm blog that kel tec has modified the sub2k so that it can accept adapters to take different magazines
 
As a point in favor of the kel tec i saw a post on he firearm blog that kel tec has modified the sub2k so that it can accept adapters to take different magazines
Not sure if the Gen 2 does this or not, but the Gen 1 had this option for non Glock mags. They could use S&W 59 series, Beretta 92 and Sig (not sure which model) magazines.
 
I have a 9mm Gen 1 Kel-Tec S2K and enjoy it. I find its ability to fold very helpful.

What I did not like was the cheesy front sight. Finally got fed up, and after reading a "how to" on a Kel-Tec fan site, changed it. It involved breaking or cutting the complete plastic front sight and base off the K-T barrel, scary part. You then replace it with the all metal AK style front sight off of, wait for it..............., a Hi-Point carbine. Sorry, but it's been years, and I don't recall which caliber Hi-Point it was, or if it even makes a difference. You'd have to determine this on the Kel-Tec forum.

Installing it requires you to Dremel out a little bit of the inside diameter of the sight, then slip it onto the K-T barrel and tighten up its integral set screws onto the raised area of the K-T barrel that formerly held the original plastic sight. Done! Pretty easy fix that looks great, is low cost, much stronger, and certainly works better. Drilling a dimple into the sight retains the gun's ability to lock closed. Sorry, no photos will be forthcoming.
 
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