This could be the start of gun control......

[RP88]

The NRA will donate more than enough to make up for his lack of funding.

But regardless, something needs to be done. We don't need another AWB aka "ban on 99% of all guns"; I definitely don't want it and will let my vote be known - regardless of party lines. But, a 21+ age rule on "assault weapon"-classified weapons is reasonable. Closing the gun show "loophole" won't inconvenience private sales to the point of oppression. Letting psychiatrists/psychologists and the FBI more proactively update the NCIS system to make known potentially violent or incapable persons and let them investigate people making terror threats or having ties to known hate and/or violent groups so they can stop shooters before they act is something that should have already been done. Police need to also revise their active shooter training and be more vigilant in defending the public at large. The background check needs a "must-approve-sale" rule instead of deferring to gun shops (that is how the Charleston shooter slipped through...).

I feel like if they "get" those then we can resist all further attempts at gun control as completely unfeasible and utterly unreasonable from there on without compromise. I feel like if we are gonna talk about "common sense" gun control then what we should do is have the conversation with them and lead the common sense instead of them. We know guns, after all - they don't.

 

[DoubleMag]

Have you contacted your State and Federal Reps yet , or are they singularly hearing from the other side?

 

[Tirod]

a large Republican contributor has announced he will no longer make donations to any candidate who does not endorse an assault weapon ban.

First, he's really not a Republican. There is a basic error in trying to define who is working against our rights by labeling them with political party affiliations. Given John McCain's record of voting aligning with the Democrat agenda it would be ludicrous to insist he's a "republican," yet the mistake continues to be made.

There is a bigger agenda than party affiliation and it goes much deeper. The real issue is whether anyone who supports gun control should be viewed in any way as a "white hat." If they expressly state they do not support the 2d Amendment, then why continue the charade they are conservative at all. It's really nothing more than a check box on a form and means nothing more when they open their mouth and speak heresy against the party's founding principles.

As will be seen in the upcoming days and weeks the call for an AWB will be drowned out by massive arrests as 13,000 sealed indictments are released. Much less their incarceration in GTMO in the new facility being built on Leeward to house at least 13,000 detainees and 5,000 support/security troops. If that hasn't been in your news then I respectfully submit your sources are concealing it from you at your detriment. There is a MUCH bigger state of affairs unfolding and it's getting spicy.

 

[Demi-human]

I say "...give nothing back.".

"We" don't put a limit on how ........ they get to have or be.

"We" are not restricting their right to be absolutly ridiculous in public under the premise "freespeech".

 

[Robert]

The problem with giving away X in the hopes that they will not come for Y is they always come for Y. We have given away far too much, some of it we have won back, but what do we ever get in return for compromise or reasonable restrictions? Nothing.

One person is responsible for this event. The rest of the law abiding gun owners should not be punished because of the actions of one individual.

To those of you who are willing to give up your freedom for a little more "security" and peace of mind, feel free to ship your firearms to me. I'll even pay shipping and transfer fees.

Remember folks, gun control is not about guns...

 

[AlexanderA]

But, a 21+ age rule on "assault weapon"-classified weapons is reasonable. Closing the gun show "loophole" won't inconvenience private sales to the point of oppression. Letting psychiatrists/psychologists and the FBI more proactively update the NCIS system to make known potentially violent or incapable persons and let them investigate people making terror threats or having ties to known hate and/or violent groups so they can stop shooters before they act is something that should have already been done. Police need to also revise their active shooter training and be more vigilant in defending the public at large. The background check needs a "must-approve-sale" rule instead of deferring to gun shops (that is how the Charleston shooter slipped through...).

I feel like if they "get" those then we can resist all further attempts at gun control as completely unfeasible and utterly unreasonable from there on without compromise. I feel like if we are gonna talk about "common sense" gun control then what we should do is have the conversation with them and lead the common sense instead of them. We know guns, after all - they don't.

In themselves, some of these suggestions may be reasonable (and some are not reasonable, such as letting psychiatrists decide on people's gun rights without due process). But you are missing the point. The antigunners will never be satisfied with anything less than a totally gun-free America. We can give them all these "reasonable" things that you suggest and they will come back for more. They are not interested in a meaningful compromise. To them, "compromise" simply means that they get less than their maximal demands -- for now.

In the face of this, our only rational strategy is complete stonewalling. If they want compromise, let them show their goodwill by agreeing to something like the silencer bill, national carry reciprocity, or the repeal of the Hughes Amendment. They will never back down one inch on any of that, and, therefore, we should not back down one inch either.

 

[AlexanderA]

Remember folks, gun control is not about guns...

Yes, the real target is not the guns (the physical objects) but rather the gun owners (the people). Guns are just markers for a certain demographic (rural people, "redneck yahoos," Trump voters) that is viscerally hated by the urban elites, including the media and the universities. This country is being split right down the middle by polarization, and the gun issue is just the most visible manifestation of that.

 

[Sav .250]

"This could be the start of Gun control." I wonder how many on here are NOT NRA members.
There are some who make a lot of noise but are not members.

 

[Glockula]

It seems to me there should be a fair number of retired and or physically disabled vets out there that are mentally sharp, well trained and have some availability to watch a school. I don' think big government will solve this. Not even at the state level. Communities will have to get together and solve this by protecting their schools. More liberal areas will have unprotected schools, unfortunate

I truly believe this is not a political or a gun issue. The will to kill your piers or fellow citizens on masse is disturbing and a relatively new trend. It certainly doesn't require a gun. What if one of these kids understood chemistry and chlorine gassed a school?

We need to start looking at long term solutions to why are kids are turning into mass murderers, not knee jerk reacting, and going to the sad and tired gun control argument.

Do you think a congress person would actually vote on gun control. How could they get reelected with them picking sides on such a contentious issue?

 

[AlexanderA]

As will be seen in the upcoming days and weeks the call for an AWB will be drowned out by massive arrests as 13,000 sealed indictments are released. Much less their incarceration in GTMO in the new facility being built on Leeward to house at least 13,000 detainees and 5,000 support/security troops. If that hasn't been in your news then I respectfully submit your sources are concealing it from you at your detriment. There is a MUCH bigger state of affairs unfolding and it's getting spicy.

This is getting into too much "tinfoil" territory.

 

[huntsman]

The progressive Left doesn’t want gun control they need it, they want people control. The assult on Freedom gets ramped up after a public shooting but the puppet masters don’t care about kids just their agenda.

 

[AlexanderA]

Do you think a congress person would actually vote on gun control. How could they get reelected with them picking sides on such a contentious issue?

Depends on the district. In many urban districts, a vote to ban guns would be a political plus. Fortunately, such districts are in the minority (for now).

 

[stonebuster]

I doubt it. 500 people were shot in Vegas not long ago. Nothing happened. Pretty much forgotten. Something else will be in the headlines in a couple of weeks.

Politicians say what they need to say at the moment to ride the wave out. They know the routine.

When kids are mass murdered in their school it won't be "pretty much forgotten." Sandy Hook is still in the news often. Kids being victims puts this issue on a whole different level than Vegas shooting which was a horrendous act. The anti's simplistic knee jerk reaction to take away guns fits their agenda but obviously(to most of us here) isn't the answer. Our elected geniuses in Washington shouldn't argue about outlawing the tools these murderers use since they'll just use a different tool next time. Better school security, better counseling for troubled students, better resources for government agencies and better sharing of information between agencies are just some of the things that our officials should be focusing on.(IMO) Conservatives better start making some constructive suggestions before the "wave" becomes a tidal wave.

 

[Jim Watson]

Well, one rat has left the ship:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2018/02/pro-gun_section_scrubbed_from.html

A pro-Second Amendment section of John Kasich's website was removed Sunday, after the Republican governor appeared on CNN and said reasonable gun control measures should be enacted following last week's deadly Florida school shooting.

 

[rust collector]

In light of the relentless tirade of "something must be done" on TV and internet, I suspect it is only a matter of time until something is done. The camel's nose already entered with the NFA and then the GCA, and we have seen what has happened following mass murders in the UK and Australia. I agree that restricting military style firearms won't solve the problem, but I wonder if we might consider moving the AR/AK types of rifles to the transfer tax/background check process now used for NFA items, and in exchange take the sound moderators and perhaps SBRs out of that process.
I own and enjoy military style guns and mine will never be used to hurt anyone, but if a restriction is inevitable, maybe it's time to work on plan B.

 

[Browning]

Well, one rat has left the ship:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2018/02/pro-gun_section_scrubbed_from.html

A pro-Second Amendment section of John Kasich's website was removed Sunday, after the Republican governor appeared on CNN and said reasonable gun control measures should be enacted following last week's deadly Florida school shooting.

Being in the Republican Party doesn't make one a Conservative.

Pretty much the reason I hoped that guy wouldn't win the nomination.

 

[Merle1]

The NRA will donate more than enough to make up for his lack of funding.

But regardless, something needs to be done. We don't need another AWB aka "ban on 99% of all guns"; I definitely don't want it and will let my vote be known - regardless of party lines. But, a 21+ age rule on "assault weapon"-classified weapons is reasonable. Closing the gun show "loophole" won't inconvenience private sales to the point of oppression. Letting psychiatrists/psychologists and the FBI more proactively update the NCIS system to make known potentially violent or incapable persons and let them investigate people making terror threats or having ties to known hate and/or violent groups so they can stop shooters before they act is something that should have already been done. Police need to also revise their active shooter training and be more vigilant in defending the public at large. The background check needs a "must-approve-sale" rule instead of deferring to gun shops (that is how the Charleston shooter slipped through...).

I feel like if they "get" those then we can resist all further attempts at gun control as completely unfeasible and utterly unreasonable from there on without compromise. I feel like if we are gonna talk about "common sense" gun control then what we should do is have the conversation with them and lead the common sense instead of them. We know guns, after all - they don't.

Sounds like you are willing to let the camels nose into the tent. We've been there & done that - it never worked out well - the antis just won't stop there.

 

[Merle1]

In light of the relentless tirade of "something must be done" on TV and internet, I suspect it is only a matter of time until something is done. The camel's nose already entered with the NFA and then the GCA, and we have seen what has happened following mass murders in the UK and Australia. I agree that restricting military style firearms won't solve the problem, but I wonder if we might consider moving the AR/AK types of rifles to the transfer tax/background check process now used for NFA items, and in exchange take the sound moderators and perhaps SBRs out of that process.
I own and enjoy military style guns and mine will never be used to hurt anyone, but if a restriction is inevitable, maybe it's time to work on plan B.

Bad idea - more restrictions just make it easier for the antis to "cancel" your "permit" and force you to turn them in.

 

[Tommygunn]

Well, one rat has left the ship:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2018/02/pro-gun_section_scrubbed_from.html

A pro-Second Amendment section of John Kasich's website was removed Sunday, after the Republican governor appeared on CNN and said reasonable gun control measures should be enacted following last week's deadly Florida school shooting.

Kasich has always been a Fudd. He voted for the AWB in 1994, so that link offers no surprise.

 

[tarosean]

What happened to socity? This never happened years ago.

according wikipedia the first school shooting happened in 1764...
I wasn't alive back then, so I am not sure of the accuracy..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States#18th_century_3

The fact is though its been happening for a very long time, it just isn't shoved in your face 24/7 like it is now-a-days.

 

[AlexanderA]

I agree that restricting military style firearms won't solve the problem, but I wonder if we might consider moving the AR/AK types of rifles to the transfer tax/background check process now used for NFA items, and in exchange take the sound moderators and perhaps SBRs out of that process.

After Sandy Hook, Feinstein briefly proposed adding "assault rifles" to the NFA, but was quickly disabused of that notion. Just consider this -- with a couple of hundred thousand machine guns in the registry, it already takes nearly a year to get a transfer approval. With 10-30 million AR's (estimates vary), the system would come to a grinding halt. And there is not enough money in the federal budget to exponentially expand the ATF workforce.

 

[Jim Watson]

Which would be a desirable outcome for the antis. We don't need a ban, just a constipated bureaucracy.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Please don't get distracted by political labels. Both major parties functionally ceased to exist when the Berlin Wall went down and both are flailing around trying to find relevance.
Our current president is not a Republican and our last was not a Democrat.
Don't look to politicians to be your allies because they have the right letter after their names.
Just push for what you know is right.
Support the children.

 

[Wisco]

I was about to say something a little more in depth and hopefully more eloquent, but then I saw this: Man saws AR-15 in half to support gun control - CNN https://apple.news/Atqh9vleiQ-KvE2XERxonsw

My first thought is this guy must really not trust himself and I’m glad he broke his gun before he committed mass murder. Based on his irrationality, he shouldn’t be allowed any other firearm, ever. Not a one. What a freaking dope.

What an idiot. Our country is full of idiots. That’s why we have problems. Idiocy and an inability to properly process our emotions like rational adults.

I’m a gun owner. Other people kill people with other guns. I’m gonna break my gun. Dang, other people are still being killed. Why didn’t my plan work?

 

[CamaroDMD]

If they want to raise the sales age of so called "assault weapons" to 21...let them, but I don't think it will make any difference. These rifles are so ubiquitous in today's America that if someone really wanted to get one to cause a mass casualty incident they probably could. These people have given up on everything and are lashing out...stealing a rifle won't make any difference.

This is a typical political knee-jerk reaction to these very unfortunate events. All the anti-gun groups start stomping their feet and "guns are the problem...we need to get rid of them." So the response from the pro-gun groups have to be just as extreme but opposite..."no, no, no, the answer is more guns. we need more guns in schools."

In my humble opinion, both these view points are not only totally incorrect but missing the problem all together. It's really easy to fixate on the firearm. It's loud, it smokes, to some it's scary. That evil rifle must be the problem. But, the problem is mental health and the way it is viewed in this country. Every person who commits one of these acts has some kind of mental health problem...because we aren't wired to commit these kinds of acts if we don't. But, mental health problems are very taboo...often people are afraid or unwilling to seek treatment in part because of the stigma that comes it it. I think encouraging people to get the medical treatment they need...that as a people accepting the fact that mental health conditions are medical conditions no different than cancer...is a step in the right direction. Not taking away an inanimate object from the populous out of fear. Problem is, this is way more complex and difficult to do. Blaming the guns is easy!

While I do think that severe mental illness could be grounds to prevent gun ownership...I think we need to be very careful in how we implement it. These people are already unwilling to get treatment...restricting their freedoms will not help that.

I honestly don't know how to fix the problem. But, in my opinion...the true problem lies in a health related illness...not in an inanimate object that on its own is totally harmless.