TP for making Black Powder?

Saw that video, it’s interesting, I haven’t made bp and likely never will but I’m glad some people are still experimenting and learning about this simple compound and ways to improve upon it… if the folks around Aubonne Switzerland begin to experience tp shortages we’ll know it’s a real deal
 
hawg said:
Just thinking that once the butt napkins burn down there's not going to be much charcoal.
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He didn’t say how many rolls he had to process into charcoal… probably a few huh? He did only make a small amount.
 
I'd like to try it and see if his figures can be reproduced with various TP. I'm not sure whether I'm with @hawg or not tho on the price... doesn't strike me as being too expensive but the effort for the return kinda sucks.

@woodnbow I think it's implied he just used the one but I'd agree that the old BK mega rolls would probably be more cost effective. Though, I'd guess softer rolls like he used would probably work better (faster and cleaner) since more of the lignin has been processed out of the pulp. He said he got roughly 13 grams from 1 roll (I'd venture to guess a roll of TP averages out to 200 grams or so) which, with his 77x13x10 formula, checks out since he got about 100 grams of bp. 1 pound is, what, 454 grams? So he'd need a little less than 5 rolls to get enough charcoal to make a lb of bp (454×.13÷13=4.54)?

With the cost of butt-wipe at wally world, that's about a buck/roll. With the other ingredients, that'll run ya about $17/lb before factoring your time spent charcoaling TP. That's not awful by any means but you can buy 3 lbs of airfloat charcoal for about 25 bucks taking the price/lb to about $13. It's not great stuff but it gives about goex speeds and doesnt dirty too bad. While that's more than most hobbyists will ever use (making about 23 lbs of BP with his ratios), that's still significantly more convenient. If my math checks out, it'd take about 104 rolls of TP to get the same amount of charcoal.

That said, you can't argue with the speeds and burns he's getting from TP. I'd shoot that from my flinters any day of the week! Might even like to try it in the Sharps!
 
Cliff Roberts said:
I'd like to try it and see if his figures can be reproduced with various TP. I'm not sure whether I'm with @hawg or not tho on the price... doesn't strike me as being too expensive but the effort for the return kinda sucks.

@woodnbow I think it's implied he just used the one but I'd agree that the old BK mega rolls would probably be more cost effective. Though, I'd guess softer rolls like he used would probably work better (faster and cleaner) since more of the lignin has been processed out of the pulp. He said he got roughly 13 grams from 1 roll (I'd venture to guess a roll of TP averages out to 200 grams or so) which, with his 77x13x10 formula, checks out since he got about 100 grams of bp. 1 pound is, what, 454 grams? So he'd need a little less than 5 rolls to get enough charcoal to make a lb of bp (454×.13÷13=4.54)?

With the cost of butt-wipe at wally world, that's about a buck/roll. With the other ingredients, that'll run ya about $17/lb before factoring your time spent charcoaling TP. That's not awful by any means but you can buy 3 lbs of airfloat charcoal for about 25 bucks taking the price/lb to about $13. It's not great stuff but it gives about goex speeds and doesnt dirty too bad. While that's more than most hobbyists will ever use (making about 23 lbs of BP with his ratios), that's still significantly more convenient. If my math checks out, it'd take about 104 rolls of TP to get the same amount of charcoal.

That said, you can't argue with the speeds and burns he's getting from TP. I'd shoot that from my flinters any day of the week! Might even like to try it in the Sharps!
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’m always in favor of better burning, cleaner, faster gunpowder so that’s intriguing, but I have to admit that I found it hilarious the guy was willing to entertain the idea and run with it…
 
Jackrabbit1957 said:
Not really, if one is importing your charcoal or going out trying to find the right wood. A couple of rolls of bargain basement John Wayne toilet paper may not be expensive at all and very convenient.
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He used Cottenelle paper for his roll. If you look up the SDS for it, It is mostly pine. They advertise that they only us regrowth wood for their TP. I've been rolling my own so to speak for the last several years. I experiment with different woods and formulas. I haven't found my golder powder yet, but thats the fun in it. It keeps me thinking and active since I retired.
 
RB1Shooter said:
I would be real interested to see him substitute sugar for sulpher!
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Sugar substitutes for carbon, not sulfur. Sugar is C6H12O6. When you remove 6H2O, you are left with 6C. Dextrin is a lot like sugar. If you check his other videos, he says he does not use dextrin because it causes severe fouling. He is trying for the cleanest burn that he can get.
 
dpasek said:
Sugar substitutes for carbon, not sulfur. Sugar is C6H12O6. When you remove 6H2O, you are left with 6C. Dextrin is a lot like sugar. If you check his other videos, he says he does not use dextrin because it causes severe fouling. He is trying for the cleanest burn that he can get.
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Also the fastest velocity with tightest spread. Contenell still the best.
 
On the one hand, it's an interesting "at the end of the world" idea. On the other hand, recent experience indicates that during the end of the world, TP is the very first thing to go.
 
*laughing* His latest attemps: Scott TP & Wonder Bread. Scott's equivalent to GOEX and the Wonder Bread did not make it above 1599fps.
 
RB1Shooter said:
*laughing* His latest attemps: Scott TP & Wonder Bread. Scott's equivalent to GOEX and the Wonder Bread did not make it above 1599fps.
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He does a terrific video as to how he makes his black powder. This is a new video and he is very methodical in describing what he does. He has some ingenious tricks and very good techniques. After watching, I now have a clear understanding as to what the BP mfg's do and how they do it in large scale production must be a sight to see.
 
A good buddy of mine is trying this, and he said so far, the TP made BP seems to be stronger than others. He hasn't finished testing by a long shot - pucks are drying right now. He wants me to try some in my revolvers when he is done screening.
 
RB1Shooter said:
He does a terrific video as to how he makes his black powder. This is a new video and he is very methodical in describing what he does. He has some ingenious tricks and very good techniques. After watching, I now have a clear understanding as to what the BP mfg's do and how they do it in large scale production must be a sight to see.
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Speaking of that last video... does anyone know where to find that hydraulic pucking die he was using? I know what he *said* it was but I still want one! I use a 1.5" pipe with about 1T powder and it does the job fine on a single press for density but it tends to splay out after a couple # of powder so I have to turn it back on the lathe and the edges of the puck end up turning out kind of atrocious with a much lower density. I would love to increase the point pressure by getting a 3/4" like he was using without having to go through that much material to turn down my own.

Also... real talk... who would think to clean up their KNO3 like that? I always just run it! Mostly due to being lazy...
 
Cliff Roberts said:
Speaking of that last video... does anyone know where to find that hydraulic pucking die he was using? I know what he *said* it was but I still want one! I use a 1.5" pipe with about 1T powder and it does the job fine on a single press for density but it tends to splay out after a couple # of powder so I have to turn it back on the lathe and the edges of the puck end up turning out kind of atrocious with a much lower density. I would love to increase the point pressure by getting a 3/4" like he was using without having to go through that much material to turn down my own.

Also... real talk... who would think to clean up their KNO3 like that? I always just run it! Mostly due to being lazy...
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Check with Brushhippy on gunslinger's gulch for those pucks.
 
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