NJGarand
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I have a S&W 645. Great gun!
Traditional Double Action .45ACP
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JohnBT
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"does the FN have a decocker"
The FNP-45 is DA/SA with a decocker.
The FNP-45 USG is the same thing PLUS you can push the lever up and carry in either mode with the safety on. I like mine a lot, seems to be a well thought out gun, although feeding the 15-round mags is expensive these days.
John
The FNP-45 is DA/SA with a decocker.
The FNP-45 USG is the same thing PLUS you can push the lever up and carry in either mode with the safety on. I like mine a lot, seems to be a well thought out gun, although feeding the 15-round mags is expensive these days.
John
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Sorry, no one has surpassed John Browning and the 1911, and I seriously doubt it will ever happen. There are, and have always been, those who disagree, but that is a reflection on them.
Since the single action came first how could the DA be considered traditional for auto pistols?
For revolvers maybe, but even there, single action was first for a long time. How can something that came much later be traditional?
Just the application of logic, not trying to argue. Often common terms and phrases in common use are illogical, take "Main stream news media" for example, not mainstream, not true news.
striker fired? sheesh!
Since the single action came first how could the DA be considered traditional for auto pistols?
For revolvers maybe, but even there, single action was first for a long time. How can something that came much later be traditional?
Just the application of logic, not trying to argue. Often common terms and phrases in common use are illogical, take "Main stream news media" for example, not mainstream, not true news.
striker fired? sheesh!
Jim Watson
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I believe gunzine and advertising terminology has defined "traditional double action" to be the DA-SA crunch tick introduced by Walther in 1929 in contrast to the "double action only" (DAO, often written DOA) autos and such mutations as Glock, Sig DAK, and H&K LEM.
I have a P220 .45 that is a quality pistol, but not much fun to shoot vs 1911 .45 or P226 9mm, so it serves for home defense with occasional refamiliarization.
I have a P220 .45 that is a quality pistol, but not much fun to shoot vs 1911 .45 or P226 9mm, so it serves for home defense with occasional refamiliarization.
BlindJustice
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ALthough I'm a 1911 owner, I also shoot a DA/SA .45....
S&W 625 5" Bbl. - Double Action Double Taps mucho fun
with S&W Master Revolver Action Job.
They complement each other yah know
Randall
S&W 625 5" Bbl. - Double Action Double Taps mucho fun
with S&W Master Revolver Action Job.
They complement each other yah know
Randall
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When it gets down to brass tacks it's all opinion. I didn't mean to start a war, I know a lot of good people like plastic striker fired guns and they have that right.
On the "Traditional" DA, well, I was just pointing out that the word may be misplaced, though common in some circles.
On the "Traditional" DA, well, I was just pointing out that the word may be misplaced, though common in some circles.
i have shot a CZ-97, it wasn't mine but it didn't feel larger than my 220.
i will give you that it wasn't a lenghtly experience at the range. my 220 was wearing Hogue rubber grips (which are a bit wider) and i was using a two-handed thumb forward grip. i think the shape of the frame had a lot to do with the feel...i find the CZ-75 and Browning P-35 too small for positive index
given the OP's revised list, i'd now rank the HK45 as my 2nd choice...based solely on the trigger feel compared to the Sig 220
not to argue either...as the question by the OP excluded both the 1911 and striker fired pistols, but i must say with a heavy heart that...
as a modern defensive pistol, the 1911 has certainly been surpassed...by whichever measurement you choose...by the Glock.
what JMB did in the 1900's through original design, has been replaced by GG through research and compilation of successful handgun designs since that time and produced a line of handguns which defined the genre.
JohnBT
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When is he going to fix the grip angle? 
Colton White
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Oh HisSoldier your so silly il try to keep this as HIGH ROAD as possible.
This thread has absolutely nothing to do to do with 1911s or single actions autos. But i shall entertain your views. I have two 1911s and i LOVE THEM! Also it is my humble opinion that John Browning is a SAINT. Everything he laid hands on turned to a masterpiece. That said believe it or not i am an individual and my personal collection of firearms is as diverse as their uses as an American tool.
you say "Sorry, no one has surpassed John Browning and the 1911, and I seriously doubt it will ever happen. There are, and have always been, those who disagree, but that is a reflection on them."
let me run this down your opinion is a fact and those who have a different opinion is wrong. those who disagree sir are not wrong.
"not trying to argue" you say then dont. a gun that is DA/SA is called TRADITIONAL DOUBLE ACTION because it is an older more original version of the double action automatic you are the only one that seems to think that a single action 1911 should be called a traditional double action pistol lol. sir the single action pistol has not changed fundamentally therefore there is no traditional or original the double on the other hand has gone from DA/SA to DAO drastically different yes but still double action therefore a different address is needed to distinguish the two hence here we have it the traditional double action.
what it IS is a fact what anyone thinks about it is an opinion. and i respect yours sir.
ok lets be friends now!
This thread has absolutely nothing to do to do with 1911s or single actions autos. But i shall entertain your views. I have two 1911s and i LOVE THEM! Also it is my humble opinion that John Browning is a SAINT. Everything he laid hands on turned to a masterpiece. That said believe it or not i am an individual and my personal collection of firearms is as diverse as their uses as an American tool.
you say "Sorry, no one has surpassed John Browning and the 1911, and I seriously doubt it will ever happen. There are, and have always been, those who disagree, but that is a reflection on them."
let me run this down your opinion is a fact and those who have a different opinion is wrong. those who disagree sir are not wrong.
"not trying to argue" you say then dont. a gun that is DA/SA is called TRADITIONAL DOUBLE ACTION because it is an older more original version of the double action automatic you are the only one that seems to think that a single action 1911 should be called a traditional double action pistol lol. sir the single action pistol has not changed fundamentally therefore there is no traditional or original the double on the other hand has gone from DA/SA to DAO drastically different yes but still double action therefore a different address is needed to distinguish the two hence here we have it the traditional double action.
what it IS is a fact what anyone thinks about it is an opinion. and i respect yours sir.
ok lets be friends now!
belus
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Ah, that all makes sense. You clearly have much larger hands than I do.
likely not larger...just longer fingers 
while i prefer the grip angle of the 1911 also, many shooters without previous exposure to handguns do very well with the Glock grip angle...based mostly on LE data
i believe he took it from the P-08 Parabellum...it's actually very simliar to that of the Ruger .22lr Standard Auto and you don't hear many complaints about that gun's grip
cluttonfred
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If you are interested in a compact DA/SA .45 ACP, I don't think anyone has mentioned the Smith & Wesson CS45. That is still listed with a price in the S&W online catalog, which seems to mean that it is still available.
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Whatever.
I heard today that that is the single most irritating phrase in the English language.
I heard today that that is the single most irritating phrase in the English language.
I haven't read all the posts, but the HK USP .45 is the first pistol I ever bought and it is still one of my favorites. They are crazy-accurate, well-built, and reliable.
Drawbacks: Some people don't like polymer framed guns, mags are expensive, and the grip can be a little thick for some (I guess most double-stack 45s are though).
In conclusion, I HIGHLY recommend looking into a USP or USPc in .45
Drawbacks: Some people don't like polymer framed guns, mags are expensive, and the grip can be a little thick for some (I guess most double-stack 45s are though).
In conclusion, I HIGHLY recommend looking into a USP or USPc in .45
230therapy
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SIG P220 is the way to go
CZ-97 BD: Huge! Looks cool though and I hear they shoot well.
Ruger P90: ICK!
IWI Jericho 941 (baby eagle): Naddaclue.
Sig P220: Yay! The best!
Bersa Thunder 45: EEEK...are you nuts?
Beretta PX4 Storm 45: FAIL.
HK45: USP, USP Compact? Join the legion of gun store commandos!
EAA Whitness 45: Never.
FNP45: Looks huge and probably shoots well.
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SIG P220 Match
SIG P220 Carry
CZ-97 BD: Huge! Looks cool though and I hear they shoot well.
Ruger P90: ICK!
IWI Jericho 941 (baby eagle): Naddaclue.
Sig P220: Yay! The best!
Bersa Thunder 45: EEEK...are you nuts?
Beretta PX4 Storm 45: FAIL.
HK45: USP, USP Compact? Join the legion of gun store commandos!
EAA Whitness 45: Never.
FNP45: Looks huge and probably shoots well.
Add:
SIG P220 Match
SIG P220 Carry
the OP is looking for a current production pistol
Colton White
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thanks guys for the great information and yes i would love one of the old smiths but im really looking for a new gun i dont know why smith isnt still making them
they make great little 9mm with the DA/SA and il have to look into that .45 Owlnmole
they make great little 9mm with the DA/SA and il have to look into that .45 Owlnmole
silversport
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A shame Stoeger doesn't make a .45ACP copy of the Beretta Cougar since you like the Beretta best...of those choices I would pick the SiG Sauer P220 (preferably an old German one...but that's my personal preference)
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