Tristar Bristol SxS?
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Roverguy
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I have seen some but not handled them.
Tristar makes some seemingly reliable semis that vary from conventional to quite gaudy looks. So, it seems that they should be capable of making a decently reliable SxS, albeit rather gaudy looking. The Turks can stock a gun with some lovely wood. The Bristol line seems to have nicely polished and blued barrels, and are equipped with ejectors, giving them the edge over CZ's mainly matt finished, extractor equipped but largely reliable Huglu made guns. However, they seem to be all single selective trigger guns which in addition to being of poor taste in a SxS, can be troublesome and prone to doubling, though retailing at $1,000 -$1,200, that may well not be an issue for these guns. The "Silver" line, named perhaps for their somewhat "in the white" appearance receivers, seem to only be offered with pistol grip stocks; if not an actual abomination, then gauche at the very least. The non-"Silver" Bristols seem to only be offered with a single selective trigger, again in poor taste, but are stocked correctly in straight grip and splinter forend. Those I have seen however have the most heinous and outrageous chemical case colored receivers with exaggerated "tiger stripes". Quite gaudy.
So, on the plus side, a maker with a growing reputation offering a five year warranty and some nice features such as properly polished and blued barrels, nice wood, and ejectors at a price point that means the guns should be reliable for field use. On the other hand, poor taste. The Silver line finish is a bit flashy, one might say, making them look cheap rather than attractively priced. The single selective trigger is just not right on a SxS field gun and the pistol grip stock says "declasse" . Meanwhile, the nasty chemical case colored tiger stripes on the just-Bristol guns (reminiscent of H&R's nasty tiger stripe chemical finishes in their old "Shikari" guns, only worse) turns what might otherwise have been a quite exciting new entry level field gun, one with an edge over the CZ guns, into a gaudy statement, and a statement one hopes that very few would care to make.
A field gun wants a straight grip, splinter forend, and a slightly subdued receiver. Yes, your heavily engraved bright gold inlay Luciano Bosis cost $120,000, but it's still in rather poor taste frankly to show up for a shoot with it unless you are shooting with Saudi Princes, in which case it will be just fine. A single selective trigger and pistol grip have their places, on say, a live pigeon gun, but they are not the thing for a game or field gun at all.
So, I would wait. Wait for TriStar to offer a straight/splinter gun with double triggers and a somewhat more subdued reciever. When they do, there is the promise of a nicely appointed, reliable, low cost field gun.
Tristar makes some seemingly reliable semis that vary from conventional to quite gaudy looks. So, it seems that they should be capable of making a decently reliable SxS, albeit rather gaudy looking. The Turks can stock a gun with some lovely wood. The Bristol line seems to have nicely polished and blued barrels, and are equipped with ejectors, giving them the edge over CZ's mainly matt finished, extractor equipped but largely reliable Huglu made guns. However, they seem to be all single selective trigger guns which in addition to being of poor taste in a SxS, can be troublesome and prone to doubling, though retailing at $1,000 -$1,200, that may well not be an issue for these guns. The "Silver" line, named perhaps for their somewhat "in the white" appearance receivers, seem to only be offered with pistol grip stocks; if not an actual abomination, then gauche at the very least. The non-"Silver" Bristols seem to only be offered with a single selective trigger, again in poor taste, but are stocked correctly in straight grip and splinter forend. Those I have seen however have the most heinous and outrageous chemical case colored receivers with exaggerated "tiger stripes". Quite gaudy.
So, on the plus side, a maker with a growing reputation offering a five year warranty and some nice features such as properly polished and blued barrels, nice wood, and ejectors at a price point that means the guns should be reliable for field use. On the other hand, poor taste. The Silver line finish is a bit flashy, one might say, making them look cheap rather than attractively priced. The single selective trigger is just not right on a SxS field gun and the pistol grip stock says "declasse" . Meanwhile, the nasty chemical case colored tiger stripes on the just-Bristol guns (reminiscent of H&R's nasty tiger stripe chemical finishes in their old "Shikari" guns, only worse) turns what might otherwise have been a quite exciting new entry level field gun, one with an edge over the CZ guns, into a gaudy statement, and a statement one hopes that very few would care to make.
A field gun wants a straight grip, splinter forend, and a slightly subdued receiver. Yes, your heavily engraved bright gold inlay Luciano Bosis cost $120,000, but it's still in rather poor taste frankly to show up for a shoot with it unless you are shooting with Saudi Princes, in which case it will be just fine. A single selective trigger and pistol grip have their places, on say, a live pigeon gun, but they are not the thing for a game or field gun at all.
So, I would wait. Wait for TriStar to offer a straight/splinter gun with double triggers and a somewhat more subdued reciever. When they do, there is the promise of a nicely appointed, reliable, low cost field gun.
entropy
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It stands to reason they'd have good wood. Turkish walnut is highly prized!
Excellent assessment, Roverguy. Great gun to bring out when hunting with the guys who have pumps and autos for upland game. (Nothing wrong with that, I do it myself.) But if you get an invite where the guys are pulling Rizzinis, Perazzis, and the like from custom or at least Negrini cases, you needn't wait for the second invitation; you'd have been better off showing up with an 870. Maybe one of the guys will take pity on you and lend you his wife's 20 ga. Weatherby Athena like I had happen. (His back-up gun) Still not a big fan of single selective triggers on O/U's or SxS, I like a good old double trigger set.
Excellent assessment, Roverguy. Great gun to bring out when hunting with the guys who have pumps and autos for upland game. (Nothing wrong with that, I do it myself.) But if you get an invite where the guys are pulling Rizzinis, Perazzis, and the like from custom or at least Negrini cases, you needn't wait for the second invitation; you'd have been better off showing up with an 870. Maybe one of the guys will take pity on you and lend you his wife's 20 ga. Weatherby Athena like I had happen. (His back-up gun) Still not a big fan of single selective triggers on O/U's or SxS, I like a good old double trigger set.
Great comments, all! I guess my tastes run to the gaudy because I thought the case coloring looked really good. It reminds me of the Dickinson shotguns Cabela’s had a while back, also Turkish made. The silver models look okay, but I don’t prefer the look. Anyway Cabela’s has a boatload of them and I was thinking of selecting one in 28 gauge.
I have the silver 410 and like it a lot. Not at all bothered by the pistol grip or the single trigger, which is mechanical and not recoil set. You can generally find the case colord ones for around $930 and the silver for around $860 and they are a bargain at that price.
.45Coltguy
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Maybe check out the CZ Bobwhite. Straight stock, double triggers and extractors. 12, 20 and 28ga.
Jim Watson
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Gee, Roverguy, it is hard to get a £1015 double to meet all those London Best English Game Gun styling conventions.
And you didn't even say anything about the plebeian boxlocks.
And if you have a nice traditional splinter forearm which does little besides house the ejectors, you need one of these:
And you didn't even say anything about the plebeian boxlocks.
And if you have a nice traditional splinter forearm which does little besides house the ejectors, you need one of these:
entropy
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It's even harder to get proper barrel regulation in a double in that price range.
.45Coltguy
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P.5 in this sub forum. JCooperfan 1911 has a pretty good thread on his CZ Bobwhite. "CZ SxS Bobwhite G2 thoughts".
He seems pleased with its workings.
He seems pleased with its workings.
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No. You don’t.
1000 quid may get you a gun with two barrels. That’s about it. A gaudy gun that may or may not shoot to POA is not worth that.
The CZ Bobwhite offers classic styling and established functionality at a similar price, for example.
Jim Watson
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Yeah so is a Westley Richards. More nicely done and way more expensive, but I am not on with a white receiver.
Single trigger, too, and jeweled to boot.
Or blotchy colored, whether nasty chemical or genuine pack hardened. I like blue.
That is picking the cheapest thing to compare to. It reminds me of the Stevens, here a CPA replica.
I don't know exactly what CPA is doing but when outfits like Perazzi get this striped effect it is by cyanide hardening, not charcoal pack.
entropy
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Probably the same, Charcoal doesn't get in the nooks and crannies as uniformly as this.
Turnbull does the best charcoal hardened action work.
Turnbull does the best charcoal hardened action work.
Actually the carbonizing agent whether cyanide or charcoal pack has nothing to do with either colors or how they are dispersed. That is all effected by the aerration of the quench. The Europeans use a rolling quench that gives the rainbow zebra effect. Here we use a bubbled quench and the dispersion of the colors is regulated by the size and frequency of the bubbles.
Double rifles are regulated. SxS shotguns by any maker are not they are what is refered to as laid up. That is the maker has a specific formula for each guage regarding conversion of point of impact with most commonly used loads and their guns are laid up on jigs conforming to that formula.
entropy
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They are regulated. That's what it's called in this patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7707761B2/en
Skip down to where it says "Description of the prior art"
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7707761B2/en
Skip down to where it says "Description of the prior art"
.45Coltguy
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Wow! Talk about being descriptive! That is detail. Thanks for posting that.
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My tastes are somewhat different than Roverguy.
But then again, I run a Chev C1500 4WD extended cab PU, too…
I like to get where I’m going, and back…. (Intentional slight against British Leyland… )..
I’ve been delighted with my CZ Golden Pheasant 20ga SxS. Although it didn’t start out that way…
It started as a Armsco. Was sent back to importer after a Browning/Beretta authorized gunsmith couldn’t get it to not double.
After 18mos, my dealer started hunting down the shotgun! CZ had taken over the import of the Huglu guns and the owner information on my gun LOST!
The sent me a new gun! Even returned the fitted Pachmayer Old English recoil pad from the Armsco gun.
Regulation is perfect at 25yds. I’ve killed deer/pigs with slugs and buck shot; squirrels, dove, quail, and turkey. 2- with one shot!
I don’t carry it much anymore as I use a Savage M220 for areas that require shotguns. (U.S.ARMY C.O.E. projects WMA’s).
I’ve made my piece with the SS-trigger, love the extractors, choke tubes, semi splinter forend, and pistol grip.
But then again, I run a Chev C1500 4WD extended cab PU, too…
I like to get where I’m going, and back…. (Intentional slight against British Leyland… )..
I’ve been delighted with my CZ Golden Pheasant 20ga SxS. Although it didn’t start out that way…
It started as a Armsco. Was sent back to importer after a Browning/Beretta authorized gunsmith couldn’t get it to not double.
After 18mos, my dealer started hunting down the shotgun! CZ had taken over the import of the Huglu guns and the owner information on my gun LOST!
The sent me a new gun! Even returned the fitted Pachmayer Old English recoil pad from the Armsco gun.
Regulation is perfect at 25yds. I’ve killed deer/pigs with slugs and buck shot; squirrels, dove, quail, and turkey. 2- with one shot!
I don’t carry it much anymore as I use a Savage M220 for areas that require shotguns. (U.S.ARMY C.O.E. projects WMA’s).
I’ve made my piece with the SS-trigger, love the extractors, choke tubes, semi splinter forend, and pistol grip.
Jim Watson
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One piece double barrels. I once saw an ad for a double 6.5x?? rifle with both barrels bored out of one piece.
Karl Lippard, who promoted his 600 yard 1911 also offers one piece doubles and integral barrel-receiver bolt and auto rifles although I don't know if he has delivered any.
I have heard of shotgun barrels being adjusted to center the pattern with an offset jug choke or an eccentric screw in choke tube.
Or by just bending the barrel a trifle. Doubt it would work on a double.
There were some frontier era double shotguns with the muzzles filed at an angle to try to get balls to converge to the same POI.
It didn't work.
Karl Lippard, who promoted his 600 yard 1911 also offers one piece doubles and integral barrel-receiver bolt and auto rifles although I don't know if he has delivered any.
I have heard of shotgun barrels being adjusted to center the pattern with an offset jug choke or an eccentric screw in choke tube.
Or by just bending the barrel a trifle. Doubt it would work on a double.
There were some frontier era double shotguns with the muzzles filed at an angle to try to get balls to converge to the same POI.
It didn't work.
Whoever wrote that was only rudimentaly aware of how double guns are made. Just on the subject of "regulation" they state that after the barrels are soldered full length a craftsman checks them for straightness and bends them to send a projectile true and to converge at a fixed point. This is a misuse of the term regulate and a misstatement of the process. The bending if needed is only to straighten thebarrels the convergene is allready set when the barrels are joined that is a description of laid up. True regulation is done by firing at a test target at a predetermined distance then unsoldering the barrels at the front sight and adjusting the regulating wedge and resoldering and retesting till satisfactory results are obtained. That is done with rifles not shotguns. It might surprise you if you were to put lasers into both barrels of a side by side at what point they converged. It will generally be within 10 to 15 feet. The reason being that a side by side recoils up and to the right when firing the right barrel and up and to the left when firing the left barrel so the important thing is where the bore lines are pointing when the charges leave the barrel during recoil.
Regarding the muzzle filing it would only have an effect on a solid projectile not attached to a wad. I have seen folks suggesting that method for shot loads completely disregarding the fact that the wads are still sealing the barrel after the shot has left and the escaping gas can only effect the direction of the wads.
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I would expect the frontiersman to have been shooting patched balls from percussion shotguns.
